Lenses with resolution to match K20D

zorobabel · 04-18-2008, 03:24 PM

Ha ha, I could see a new thread right now:
"Post your best poo pics..." ha ha
Good thing I don't have a macro, that could really "unleash my creative side"

) Lol

On a more serious note, thanks for starting this. A lot of folks would apreciate a list of good K20D lenses.

benjikan · 04-18-2008, 03:52 PM

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jsherman999 · 04-18-2008, 04:03 PM

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What I don't get is this - we have all these incredible photos that people are posting with
their K20D's, but all I remember seeing before the K20D came out was a crappy, underexposed
picture of a hawk in the desert.

Why didn't Pentax set up some shots with some really, really good lenses, and get
those out there when they had working prototypes ready? I mean, did anyone see
anything really impressive published anywhere by Pentax the company that was
attributable to the K20D? I certainly didn't.. Maybe I missed Pentax's brilliant marketing campaign.....

If you leave things completely up to reviewers, you're at the mercy of their schedule, and
their schedule involves first and foremost paying homage to Canon & Nikon, and increasingly,
Sony. You get on the schedule later.

If I were the marketing guy, I would have had images like this make their way into the
forums and into full page ads back in December. Pentax has incredible technology,
a boatload of brilliant lenses in K-mount, but they don't allocate enough $ to mktg dept..

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benjikan · 04-18-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

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What I don't get is this - we have all these incredible photos that people are posting with
their K20D's, but all I remember seeing before the K20D came out was a crappy, underexposed
picture of a hawk in the desert.

Why didn't Pentax set up some shots with some really, really good lenses, and get
those out there when they had working prototypes ready? I mean, did anyone see
anything really impressive published anywhere by Pentax the company that was
attributes to the K20D? I certainly didn't.. Maybe I missed Pentax's brilliant marketing campaign.....

If you leave things completely up to reviewers, you're at the mercy of their schedule, and
their schedule involves first and foremost paying homage to Canon & Nikon, and increasingly,
Sony. You get on the schedule later.

If I were the marketing guy, I would have had images like this make their way into the
forums and into full page ads back in December. Pentax has incredible technology,
a boatload of brilliant lenses in K-mount, but they don't allocate enough $ to mktg dept..

.

HEAR HEAR....

I am getting massive exposure here in France next month as well as being filmed while shooting. No marketing interest. My images done with the Pentax are being exposed in Milan today and in Cannes the end of June, no marketing.

I totally agree with you. They don't get it. Canon know how to capitalize on the Pro's using their gear. Canon milked me as much as they could and did so with panache. They sponsor festivals of photography in Cannes, Arles etc. They sponsored public exhibitions for me. I tried to convince Pentax to cosponsor the 6th Festival of Fashion Photography in Cannes this year...and last year. Didn't happen. They just don't get it. I came up with novel marketing approaches based on my years as a Consulting Creative Director..Deaf ears. Too much internal bickering! Etc.Etc.Etc.

I have done my best to promote their fine products but....I am not the Bank of America!

Ben

Last edited by benjikan; 04-18-2008 at 04:23 PM.

jsherman999 · 04-18-2008, 05:15 PM

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Ben, you were right about this sensor all along. Brilliant... Class-leading.

Hopefully Pentax/Hoya will pick up the pace in the coming years, listen to people like you,
and market these cameras (& the K30D, K40D, etc) like they deserve.

.

Tingchaleun · 04-18-2008, 05:55 PM

I'm all for the promotion and betterment of Pentax, but i can't help but worry that if they did market their products as widely and aggressively as Nikon or Canon, and were successful at it, their products wouldn't be as affordable as it is now. Is this a justified concern?

jsherman999 · 04-21-2008, 05:21 PM

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Wow! Some incredible shots with incredible glass showcasing the K20D's cropping ability!

K20D & Tulips (with 31, 85 and 200 primes) (Large Images): Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

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Derridale · 04-21-2008, 11:37 PM

How much better is the Viv 105 compared to the Tamron SP90 latest model?

That's the macro lens I have, and have been very happy with the results. but you know what LBA is like - you see the faintest possibility of something BETTER, and you just GOTTA have it!

Is there much difference between those two lenses?

frank · 04-22-2008, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

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The K20D's 14.6 MP resolution is often discounted - It seems like the general consensus is that
current sensor technology 'sweet-spot' is 10-12MP. I'm not so sure. After playing with my Viv
S1 105 macro for the past couple days on the K20D, I think the 14.6MP combined with excellent
high ISO performance brings new capabilities to high resolution macro lenses. Cropping will
now take on new importance - my ability to crop a shot taken with a high resolution lens
is nothing short of stunning.

I think the sensors coming out in the next few years will now start to do the great lenses justice -
starting with the Pentax K20D + Vivitar S1 105 in 2008.

Here's an untouched (no sharpening, no PP of any kind) jpeg straight from the camera, with crop below:

ISO 800 - Viv Series 1 105 macro:

Nice and sharp w/ great details. That's the combo of a great camera and excellent lens.

Not just prime lenses, sometimes even a good quality zoom lens can do some wonder w/ a camera like K20D:

And here is 100% crop of his face (sorry for the mess, forgot to clean him up before we went out

):

Taken by K20D+DA50-135 @ 90mm F2.8, ISO100, 1/200s.

KrisK10D · 04-22-2008, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Buddha Jones

I don't need to buy a K20D
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If I hadn't been in such a hurray to get a dslr, I might've been able to hold out for one

xGene · 04-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Wow guys!!!!! I just got the K20D body a month ago but I had no idea it would perform to that level! The details are just amazing. I got myslef the Sigma 70mm Macro a few weeks back, can't wait for spring to finally show up!!!!! My understanding is that this Sigma is particularly sharp as well. Just out of curiousity, when was this Vivitar 105 initially released?

04-18-2008, 04:03 PM	#18
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237 Original Poster	. What I don't get is this - we have all these incredible photos that people are posting with their K20D's, but all I remember seeing before the K20D came out was a crappy, underexposed picture of a hawk in the desert. Why didn't Pentax set up some shots with some really, really good lenses, and get those out there when they had working prototypes ready? I mean, did anyone see anything really impressive published anywhere by Pentax the company that was attributable to the K20D? I certainly didn't.. Maybe I missed Pentax's brilliant marketing campaign..... If you leave things completely up to reviewers, you're at the mercy of their schedule, and their schedule involves first and foremost paying homage to Canon & Nikon, and increasingly, Sony. You get on the schedule later. If I were the marketing guy, I would have had images like this make their way into the forums and into full page ads back in December. Pentax has incredible technology, a boatload of brilliant lenses in K-mount, but they don't allocate enough $ to mktg dept.. . Last edited by jsherman999; 04-18-2008 at 04:15 PM.

04-21-2008, 05:21 PM	#22
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237 Original Poster	Yowza . Wow! Some incredible shots with incredible glass showcasing the K20D's cropping ability! K20D & Tulips (with 31, 85 and 200 primes) (Large Images): Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review .

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04-18-2008, 03:24 PM	#16
zorobabel Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 104	Ha ha, I could see a new thread right now: "Post your best poo pics..." ha ha Good thing I don't have a macro, that could really "unleash my creative side" ) Lol On a more serious note, thanks for starting this. A lot of folks would apreciate a list of good K20D lenses.

04-18-2008, 03:52 PM	#17
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by Buddha Jones I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You don't need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D You need to buy a K20D need K20D need K20D need K20D need K20D need K20D need K20D

04-18-2008, 04:14 PM	#19
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by jsherman999 . What I don't get is this - we have all these incredible photos that people are posting with their K20D's, but all I remember seeing before the K20D came out was a crappy, underexposed picture of a hawk in the desert. Why didn't Pentax set up some shots with some really, really good lenses, and get those out there when they had working prototypes ready? I mean, did anyone see anything really impressive published anywhere by Pentax the company that was attributes to the K20D? I certainly didn't.. Maybe I missed Pentax's brilliant marketing campaign..... If you leave things completely up to reviewers, you're at the mercy of their schedule, and their schedule involves first and foremost paying homage to Canon & Nikon, and increasingly, Sony. You get on the schedule later. If I were the marketing guy, I would have had images like this make their way into the forums and into full page ads back in December. Pentax has incredible technology, a boatload of brilliant lenses in K-mount, but they don't allocate enough $ to mktg dept.. . HEAR HEAR.... I am getting massive exposure here in France next month as well as being filmed while shooting. No marketing interest. My images done with the Pentax are being exposed in Milan today and in Cannes the end of June, no marketing. I totally agree with you. They don't get it. Canon know how to capitalize on the Pro's using their gear. Canon milked me as much as they could and did so with panache. They sponsor festivals of photography in Cannes, Arles etc. They sponsored public exhibitions for me. I tried to convince Pentax to cosponsor the 6th Festival of Fashion Photography in Cannes this year...and last year. Didn't happen. They just don't get it. I came up with novel marketing approaches based on my years as a Consulting Creative Director..Deaf ears. Too much internal bickering! Etc.Etc.Etc. I have done my best to promote their fine products but....I am not the Bank of America! Ben Last edited by benjikan; 04-18-2008 at 04:23 PM.

04-18-2008, 05:15 PM	#20
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237 Original Poster	. Ben, you were right about this sensor all along. Brilliant... Class-leading. Hopefully Pentax/Hoya will pick up the pace in the coming years, listen to people like you, and market these cameras (& the K30D, K40D, etc) like they deserve. .

04-18-2008, 05:55 PM	#21
Tingchaleun Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 166	I'm all for the promotion and betterment of Pentax, but i can't help but worry that if they did market their products as widely and aggressively as Nikon or Canon, and were successful at it, their products wouldn't be as affordable as it is now. Is this a justified concern?

04-21-2008, 11:37 PM	#23
Derridale Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 412	How much better is the Viv 105 compared to the Tamron SP90 latest model? That's the macro lens I have, and have been very happy with the results. but you know what LBA is like - you see the faintest possibility of something BETTER, and you just GOTTA have it! Is there much difference between those two lenses?

04-22-2008, 01:07 AM	#24
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by jsherman999 . The K20D's 14.6 MP resolution is often discounted - It seems like the general consensus is that current sensor technology 'sweet-spot' is 10-12MP. I'm not so sure. After playing with my Viv S1 105 macro for the past couple days on the K20D, I think the 14.6MP combined with excellent high ISO performance brings new capabilities to high resolution macro lenses. Cropping will now take on new importance - my ability to crop a shot taken with a high resolution lens is nothing short of stunning. I think the sensors coming out in the next few years will now start to do the great lenses justice - starting with the Pentax K20D + Vivitar S1 105 in 2008. Here's an untouched (no sharpening, no PP of any kind) jpeg straight from the camera, with crop below: ISO 800 - Viv Series 1 105 macro: Nice and sharp w/ great details. That's the combo of a great camera and excellent lens. Not just prime lenses, sometimes even a good quality zoom lens can do some wonder w/ a camera like K20D: And here is 100% crop of his face (sorry for the mess, forgot to clean him up before we went out ): Taken by K20D+DA50-135 @ 90mm F2.8, ISO100, 1/200s.

04-22-2008, 01:51 AM	#25
KrisK10D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,274	Originally posted by Buddha Jones I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D I don't need to buy a K20D If I hadn't been in such a hurray to get a dslr, I might've been able to hold out for one

04-22-2008, 08:13 AM	#26
xGene Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 151	Wow guys!!!!! I just got the K20D body a month ago but I had no idea it would perform to that level! The details are just amazing. I got myslef the Sigma 70mm Macro a few weeks back, can't wait for spring to finally show up!!!!! My understanding is that this Sigma is particularly sharp as well. Just out of curiousity, when was this Vivitar 105 initially released?