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03-12-2014, 03:02 PM   #1
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Fast manual focus prime for portraits?

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I'm looking for fast manual focus lense for portraits. It would be great to buy 77mm, but it's too expensive. So i'm asking for advice. What can you suggest ?
Thinking about samyang 85mm f1.4, what else ?

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The Samyang/Rokinon/Vivitar 85mm F1.4 is the way to go. Premium glass at a bargain price

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QuoteOriginally posted by Vejas Quote
samyang 85mm f1.4
Very good choice IMO. I was pleased with it when I tried it. It also has good IQ and nice bokeh. If you check the reviews, it does look like people like it a lot.

Have you considered any 50mm? They're a bit shorter but that the focal length I use most often for portrait.
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I have a Revuenon 55mm f1.2. That's a very nice lens if you don't think it's to wide. Recommended.

And why not the 70mm 2.4 Limited, it's a bit cheaper than the 77mm.

/C

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Very good choice IMO. I was pleased with it when I tried it. It also has good IQ and nice bokeh. If you check the reviews, it does look like people like it a lot.

Have you considered any 50mm? They're a bit shorter but that the focal length I use most often for portrait.
I already have 50mm f1.8, if need to shoot inside it's alright if room is big enough. But bokeh is not enought
I use Jupiter 37a, bokeh is good, but simetimes it's too dark.

During time as more i use manual focus lenses i like them more. Don't know this is good or bad, but sometimes i think manual focus lenses is faster to focus and in some cases focus is more precise.
Already considering to buy something something between 28-35mm range, but this is different story

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QuoteOriginally posted by cofra Quote
I have a Revuenon 55mm f1.2. That's a very nice lens if you don't think it's to wide. Recommended.

And why not the 70mm 2.4 Limited, it's a bit cheaper than the 77mm.

/C
You use 70mm 2.4 ? That lense looks ok, small, well built, nice colour's. But for portrait use bokeh is very important, and somehow i do not like 70mm 2.4 bokeh. Maby there is more people thinking same ? or im terribly wrong ?
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For a portrait at 85mm f/1.4 your depth of field will be extremely shallow... If you get the eyes in focus, the nose might not be, neither the ears, even if you're dead in front of your subject. Unless I'm looking for that kind of effect, I usually shot my portraits at f/2.8 to f/8.
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For a portrait at 85mm f/1.4 your depth of field will be extremely shallow... If you get the eyes in focus, the nose might not be, neither the ears, even if you're dead in front of your subject. Unless I'm looking for that kind of effect, I usually shot my portraits at f/2.8 to f/8.
I agree that focus area is very narrow, but i think most times when you do not crop pictures it looks alright.
You shooting with samyang 85mm f1,4 ? I thought it's fast lense and best then wide open, not all times f1,4, but opened wide enough
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I'd look at older Pentax glass.

The A (or M) 100/2.8 isn't as fast as you were probably thinking, but it's awfully good. f/2.8 works well with that focal length. Beautiful images and bokeh.

I think there are a few great older Pentax 85s as well, but I'm not familiar with them.

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I'd look at older Pentax glass.

The A (or M) 100/2.8 isn't as fast as you were probably thinking, but it's awfully good. f/2.8 works well with that focal length. Beautiful images and bokeh.

I think there are a few great older Pentax 85s as well, but I'm not familiar with them.
I agree with that. But these days price is very high
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M42 Helios 77M-4 50mm f1.8

Just picked up a good one for 60 quid.

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Or a Tair 11A 135 f2.8. Bit long on crop but very sharp and the World's best bokeh.

Or a Meyer Optik Gorlitz Orestor 135 f2.8.

Or a Jupiter 11A 135 f4. Stunning.

Or Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 135 f3.5. Mad sharp.

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Or Helios 40-2 85 f1.5. Getting pricey now.

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Or Pentax K 85 f1.8.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cofra Quote
I have a Revuenon 55mm f1.2. That's a very nice lens if you don't think it's to wide. Recommended.

And why not the 70mm 2.4 Limited, it's a bit cheaper than the 77mm.

/C
Been after a Revuenon 55 f1.2 for two years. No joy finding one.
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It all depends on your desired working distance. Any decent fast 50 will allow similar working distance as the traditional 75mm-85mm portrait lens on 35mm film while delivering more than adequate optical quality.


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or you could get really funky and look for something like a takumar screw mount 85 F1.9, with an adapter of course but then that adapter will open up the whole world of M42 screw mount lenses to your use.

This might help/hinder https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/31601-takumar-club.html
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Plenty of options you have, cheapest would be in 135mm range.

The best option for Pentax is K85/1.8 - compact and fast. One reason it's definitely better than FA77 is CA, especially shooting streets where I often come across subject with sharp contrasts and FA77 ruined a few shots. I personally avoid M85 for the same reason, bad CA.

Samyang is amazing but I often leave is on shelf due to the size. If luck favors, Jupiter-9 is a lovely option too, else there are many bad copies of this lens.

Also, as @DSims suggest, A100/M100 f2.8 is a good option and it's not expensive, you will get it one for around $150.

You will find some amazing 135mm at cheaper price although I personally wouldn't go over 100mm for portraits on APS-C. One of the cheapest and good Pentax 135mm is Tak bayonet which is often in market for ~$50, although a bit ill-reputed, it's pretty good lens.
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M42 Helios 77M-4 50mm f1.8

Just picked up a good one for 60 quid.

---------- Post added 13-03-14 at 06:56 ----------

Or a Tair 11A 135 f2.8. Bit long on crop but very sharp and the World's best bokeh.

Or a Meyer Optik Gorlitz Orestor 135 f2.8.

Or a Jupiter 11A 135 f4. Stunning.

Or Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 135 f3.5. Mad sharp.

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I already own Jupiter 37a, it's 135mm f3.5. It is big difference between Jupiter 11A 135 f4?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Vejas Quote
I already own Jupiter 37a, it's 135mm f3.5. It is big difference between Jupiter 11A 135 f4?
No idea, I haven't got a 37A. The 11A . . .





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