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03-27-2014, 06:42 AM   #16
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For landscape and architecture aren't these lenses going to be a pretty tight? As a walkaround they're pretty bulky, too. I rented a 60-250 for an airshow, and with the K10D I had at the time that's 2kg of rig - which got heavy FAST.

I'd consider something like the Sigma or Tammy 17-70 (or 17-50) as a walkaround, or for weather resistance the 18-135 (not as high IQ but pretty good).

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I hate the size of the Tamron 70-200mm, and would be happy with smaller lens and a F/4 max aperture if I could keep the IQ. The Pentax DA* 60-250 is slighty smaller, but not significantlly so. Still, I would defintely prefer the 60-250mm over the 70-200 (same reasons as bdery) if it wasn't for that small sticking point of price. Ideally I would prefer a 70-200mm F4 or so with the size of the Pentax 55-300mm, but the IQ of the former two lenses. For now I am sticking with the 70-200mm, though I only use it rarely..
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QuoteOriginally posted by HenrikDK Quote
Still, I would defintely prefer the 60-250mm over the 70-200 (same reasons as bdery) if it wasn't for that small sticking point of price.
That's my view as well. I ended up get the Tamron 70-200 because I couldn't quite afford the 60-250. In terms of IQ, there doesn't seem to be much difference between the two lenses. My DA* 300 is slightly better than the 70-200; but the difference between the lenses really doesn't amount to much. The DA* lens has a tad more microcontrast and slightly better color rendition. I would expect something along similar lines when comparing the DA* 60-250 and the Tammie 70-200.

The real advantage for the DA* 60-250 is build quality. ~70-200 have some of the highest repair rates because of the complexity of the design. Fortunately, the Tamron doesn't have a focus motor or VR technology, so it's not as complex as the Canon and Nikon 70-200s; but the overall build quality, although by no means poor or even mediocre, is nonetheless not on the same level of a DA* lens. The Tamron also has a reputation of being a mediocre auto-focuser, particularly on pre-K-5ii bodies (it's been fine on my K-5iis).
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QuoteOriginally posted by northcoastgreg Quote
the overall build quality, although by no means poor or even mediocre, is nonetheless not on the same level of a DA* lens.
That's true. I don't think it actually relates to the performance and durability, but handling the DA* and Tamron side by side, the Tamron does feel a lot cheaper, there can be slight movements of some external components, etc. None of that with the Pentax. It feels like a luxury item.

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QuoteOriginally posted by northmole Quote
I want to have a nice versitle lens for a trip to Europe, lots of landscapes, buildings and flowers.
It really depends what kinds of trip you planned. If it is a photograph trip, then heavy gear like 60-250 is ok; but if it is a family vacation trip, I like to off-load most heavy and bulky stuff.
I sometime take 16-45 on k5 and Q+ 06. NEX6 +16-50 and q+ 06 is also very versatile and capable.
Enjoy your trip!
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QuoteOriginally posted by grahame Quote
It really depends what kinds of trip you planned. If it is a photograph trip, then heavy gear like 60-250 is ok; but if it is a family vacation trip, I like to off-load most heavy and bulky stuff.
I sometime take 16-45 on k5 and Q+ 06. NEX6 +16-50 and q+ 06 is also very versatile and capable.
Enjoy your trip!
The biggest problem I've had thinking of buying a Tamron would be that last tim eI checked there were 33 reviews and 3 of them had arrived DOA and had to be returned. That's a 10% failure rate. People who got working ones had owned them for years and were absolutely overjoyed with them... so this was the deal, order one, knowing I could quite possibly have to send it back and be prepared for all that rigamarole, return one re-order-pcik up another, because most people don't stock them... the other issue is that the Sigma 70-200 is reported to be the fastest focusing sports lens for Pentax, with a silent electrical motor. SO there's the thing in a nutshell. Niggling doubts from every corner. I've been so happy with the 60-250, and if you read the photo zone test charts it really is a steller lens, and it much better edge to edge for landscape than either the Sigma or the Tamron... SO if I need 2.8 and need fast focusing for sports I'd probably be looking at the Sigma. If I'm just looking for a nice sharp lens that goes to 2.8, the Tamron definitely will save me some money. I've got some great landscapes shot with the 60-250, and it's by far the best edge to edge.... so I'm quite happy where I am.

The DA*60-250, it's not just a sports/wildlife lens..



















It really does do everything well.
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Very nice work! Thanks for sharing.
Sure, 60-250 is a very capable lens. If I have this lens, and am heading out to a trip that photograph is the main purpose, I will very likely have it with me (or some primes).
My points was, don;t let the camera gear wear you down if it is a family vacation. light loading can make you, and family members much happier.
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Thanks for all the input! I mainly was thinking the 60-250 or similar for the country and bird watching. And something else for

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Oh, it's not a family trip. Just myself and my mother, the goal is to take a lot of nice shots we are in no hurry

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Which lens do you prefer in the 60-200 range? I want to have a nice versitle lens for a trip to Europe, lots of landscapes, buildings and flowers. Not sure which one I should go with.

Also for birding, should I get a 300mm just for that? Would like to take one or two lenses at most. I plan on a lot of walking around London as well, so a lens for this would be needed.
I just go back and forth, unsure of my own decision making process
After thinking more about my budget, I think the 60-250 is going to break my budget. I think I would like to buy a couple of lenses for the money.
The mentions of the 55-300 have me thinking...any thoughts????
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Also, if you go with a teleconverter (maybe the upcoming pentax, or maybe the tamron 1.4x…), you gain an extra 100mm with the 60-250, as opposed to 80 with the 70-200, making a different 'longest' reach of 350 vs. 280.

Maybe my math is wrong, if so feel free to correct me.
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The 1.4 on the 60-250 gives you 350 in your EXIF. The last two images above squirrel and woodpecker are 60-250 plus DA 1.4 TC.
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normhead - the bokeh of squirrel and bird with the 60-250 is amazing and the detail/IQ even with the TC is outstanding, wow. Also the contrast of the yellow of the tamaracks and green spruce is ridiculous. You keep swaying me back to this lens and the DA*300 is taking second.
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I don't have the budget for a 60-250 or the Tamron 70-200 - were I to spend the money it would be on a used DA*300.

In the meanwhile, the 55-300 has been performing quite well for me. It's regarded as the best long zoom in its price range and is great for carrying around.
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It's a lens to buy a Pentax for, one of those lenses that can sell the camera. The bokeh with the squirrel and bird are actually taken on my deck from close by, and the background is a long way away. The 60-250 does have pro quality bokeh, but there are other factors contributing to the bokeh in those particular images. Truth in advertising and all that.

QuoteOriginally posted by TER-OR Quote
I don't have the budget for a 60-250 or the Tamron 70-200 - were I to spend the money it would be on a used DA*300.

In the meanwhile, the 55-300 has been performing quite well for me. It's regarded as the best long zoom in its price range and is great for carrying around.
We've been considering selling our Sigma 18-250 and getting a 55-300...but, the ability to go out with one lens and never change is so far the determining factor. A 55-300 means at least two lenses. Lens changes on hikes and when we're in the boats are just not desirable.
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The last time I was in London I was using the FA24-90, and it worked well.

Either that, the DA18-135, or possibly the FA28-105/3.2-4.5 might be the better choice for walking around.


If you're looking for even better IQ, I think your best bet is a used DA*50-135. You should also have a DA16-45/4, or a ~17-50/2.8 or ~17-70/4 (or Tamron 28-75/2.8) lens to supplement it. If your zoom ends at only 28mm wide then the very-pocketable DA15 or DA21 are options.


You should let the birding lens be a F/FA/DA*300 lens, or possibly an FA*200 or K200/2.5. But that may have to wait.

See the PPG for examples from these lenses:

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I also think a DA17-70 or current Sigma 17-70 plus the Tamron 70-200 could work here. You might want to upgrade one or both someday in the future, but this could be a really easy way to go for the trip.

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