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03-28-2014, 08:25 PM   #1
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mystery lens: JCPenney 80-200 f/3.5

It's the next best thing to a 70-200 f/2.8, except for the lack of AF.. and a few other modern features like a bayonet mount



Most 80-200mm lenses are slower than this, and most are push-pull zooms; this one has internal zoom and two rings. Very few 80-200s have a tripod mount; this one does. A few other specs: nine aperture blades, made in Japan, 62mm filters, about 1020 grams. Aperture moves in full clicks from 3.5-22 and has an auto/manual ring just behind it. Best of all it cost under $25, is in amazing condition and takes nice photos - so no complaints, just questions.

It's not matching up with Tokina Vivitar or Rikenon zooms on any site I have found. Any clues most welcome!


100mm f/5.6, dng image ported unretouched from Picasa; K-01 and tripod

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Looks like a Makinon.
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I saw some one-touch Makinons, but they definitely could have made more than one model.
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I'm not sure if this one has a tripod mount, but it certainly has the area where one could be. Looks like it has a built in hood too. Markings match pretty well from what I can see.

nikon_sale: ?????????? ??? 80-200 F3.5 ?42 ??????, ?????

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It might match up with various Focal, Soligor, Hanimex, and other off-brands from the mid-1970s to mid-1980s. As you note, the features that set this one apart are that it is not a one-touch (push/pull) zoom and that it has a tripod ring. What I find interesting is the Auto/Manual ring. Are you sure it is not a T-Mount or something similar?

I like your sample photo. Is that Hawthorn?


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QuoteOriginally posted by elliott Quote
I'm not sure if this one has a tripod mount, but it certainly has the area where one could be. Looks like it has a built in hood too. Markings match pretty well from what I can see.

nikon_sale: ?????????? ??? 80-200 F3.5 ?42 ??????, ?????
You are really good. That looks to be pretty much the same lens. IIRC, Makinon supplied a lot of generic lenses back in the day.


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
You are really good. That looks to be pretty much the same lens. IIRC, Makinon supplied a lot of generic lenses back in the day.
I've had a weird fascination with store brand lenses.

Here is one sold at K-Mart with some slight differences:
Focal 80 200mm 1 3 5 Macro Lens M42 Mount | eBay
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That Focal is quite similar, with a macro collar where my tripod mount is. Especially for the K-01 that tripod point is really valuable!

The lens really reminds me of my internal-zoom Rikenon XR 70-150 f/4, but this one is bigger longer & faster. And Rikenon didn't make any 80-200s according to the drricoh site.

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I'd like to see more from that lens, I might put it on the list to try if I find it cheap.

How is the close focusing ability of yours? That is one big thing I look for in a longer zoom like that. It looks like the macro versions go to 1:4, which isn't much to brag about, but not bad.

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I have... or, I had... this exact same lens. Two-touch and everything. It came in a bundle with seven other tele-zooms for $10 total. It had a bad case of fungus which had eaten into the glass on some of the middle elements, so I took it apart for some optical experiments. If you want to know how the front element of the lens performs all by itself, well...



Or the front three elements...





I got my $1.25 of amusement out of it, but I'm sad to hear that it's actually a pretty good lens. The build quality was certainly excellent, and the built-in hood was a great touch.

Is it really a constant f/3.5, though? I thought that, back in the day, variable-aperture zooms were just labeled at the widest aperture.

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QuoteOriginally posted by scratchpaddy Quote
Is it really a constant f/3.5, though? I thought that, back in the day, variable-aperture zooms were just labeled at the widest aperture.
I have a Kiron 80-200 f4 and Kobori made Vivitar 70-210 f4.5, while not as fast as this lens, they are constant aperture as far as I can tell. Meter doesn't change when zooming and I don't have to compensate when using an auto thyristor flash.
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I have... or, I had... this exact same lens. Two-touch and everything.
I got my $1.25 of amusement out of it, but I'm sad to hear that it's actually a pretty good lens. The build quality was certainly excellent, and the built-in hood was a great touch.

Is it really a constant f/3.5, though? I thought that, back in the day, variable-aperture zooms were just labeled at the widest aperture.
Yes scratch, that's a match to my front element - 1:3.5f80~200mm, mine is #764769.
Some day it will stop raining and I can check on flare; at its age I expect the hood will be most valuable.
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Why use such a lens alone, if your 2x macro teleconverter is lonely

Top2 - JCP 80-200 doubled || Bot2 - DA50-200 doubled


Similar results, all handheld and manual focus. On lettering the DA lens won handily, but perhaps a tripod would level the results there as well.

I'm really looking forward to trying this on my Q; the tripod collar was a big factor in buying this so the Q could come out & play

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What a conicidence. This morning, I took out one of my stacked away lens that came with other lens from my LBA and it is the same lens you have. Mine is Focal brand but design, build, mount and i guess the weight too is the same. And yes, the F3.5 is constant throughout when zooming using the zoom ring (turns a quarter of a circle only to get from 80-200). Heavy lens that will tire your wrist.
Took some test shots wide open indoors and it is quite good. CA is obvious but as expected of most zoom lenses frrom its era. Will try to upload some shots of interesting subjects when I can.
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I had this Soligor C/D 80-200mm f3.5 constant, about 6 years ago. I thought Soligor C/Ds were all Tokinas? It was pretty heavy, M42, no tripod mount. I don't remember aperture blades or the focus type. I did a quick sharpness test against the SMC Pentax-F 70-210mm and decided it wasn't worth the size and weight, so I sold it. I apparently didn't keep the results. Some photos of it:



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I think the Soligor C/D 70-220 f3.5 was a Tokina, that one was a one touch. I'd say the one you had was another Makinon.
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