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04-20-2014, 04:38 PM   #1
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Recommended 85mm or similar for film?

So, I decided to switch to 35mm film. I do a bit of portraiture, and my K55/1.8 doesn't seem to work as well for portraiture on film as it does on my K-30 (which I'm still using too.)
So, I've decided I want to get an 85mm. The problem is, even having read through several threads, I'm still not entirely sure what to go for.

I want to avoid the Rokinon as I've seen that it has "focus shift" which would be a pain for film. I kinda like the looks of the Soviet lenses, but the prices keep edging up (like the now $500 Helios 40-2) and the quality seems very inconsistent. The Takumars, while nice, are up there in price and are relatively difficult to find. Same for the K version. The A*, FA*, and 77mm ltd are well outside my budget, unless I was to sell my 50-135 and give up the last WR lens I have.

Whatever I get will be shot on B&W and color film AND the digital.
Would it be worth giving up the WR from the DA* for a good prime, then just getting an 18-55 WR? (My concern with the WR is just having SOMETHING to shoot with when the weather gets nasty. which is only a handful of times here, admittedly)

I'm unsure. Any recommendations would be appreciated.


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04-20-2014, 04:57 PM   #2
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Jupiter 9

Any of the variants will be fine. the newer ones (black) are arguably softer at f2, but who cares, you are taking flattering portraits!

I sold mine not 2 months ago for $100AU
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Doesn't the Pentax M 85mm F2 fit the bill?
Also, the 50-135mm that you already have isn't good enough? Lots of people love that lens
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Doesn't the Pentax M 85mm F2 fit the bill?
Also, the 50-135mm that you already have isn't good enough? Lots of people love that lens
The M85 looks pretty good as well... But I wonder I'd be better off with one of the "better" lenses? I already have a really good 55mm/1.8, and a good 135mm/2.8...
The biggest issue I'm finding with the 50-135 is the vignette it has on 35mm. Otherwise, I do think that it's very good. But it's not so good IMO on 35mm film.

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I can recommend the Jupiter-9 as well. Have you considered the Pentax-M 85/2 or the Pentax-K 85/1.8? Either should work nicely with any K-mount body.


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I can recommend the Jupiter-9 as well. Have you considered the Pentax-M 85/2 or the Pentax-K 85/1.8? Either should work nicely with any K-mount body.


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The K85/1.8 was one I've been seriously considering, if I can find anyone selling one for a reasonable price (right around $350-400) but I can only find eBay sellers wanting $500-600 for it. And the little bit of extra speed would be nice over the M85, as quite a bit of my shooting is indoors.
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But I wonder I'd be better off with one of the "better" lenses?
Define "better". For sure any of the "*" or "Limited" lenses would be great for your task, but the price will be high. The M 85/2 will be a little off the mark from those models, but is a huge step up from the Helios 40-2 and a lot easier to use.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
Doesn't the Pentax M 85mm F2 fit the bill?
Also, the 50-135mm that you already have isn't good enough? Lots of people love that lens
The 85mm is a good choice, but afaik the 50-135mm isn't so good on film

Depending on which film body you have (check the da lens compatibility chart), you might want to consider the da 70mm limited as well?

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And the little bit of extra speed would be nice over the M85, as quite a bit of my shooting is indoors.
That is a VERY little bit of extra speed and probably not noticeable. BTW, DOF with an 85mm at f/1.8 (or f/2) is very thin. Fast glass on longer lenses is not always a good thing.


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Define "better". For sure any of the "*" or "Limited" lenses would be great for your task, but the price will be high. The M 85/2 will be a little off the mark from those models, but is a huge step up from the Helios 40-2 and a lot easier to use.


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"Better here would be the *s and Limiteds... I guess what I'm trying to say is, "would the increase in quality be worth that extra expense?"

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That is a VERY little bit of extra speed and probably not noticeable. BTW, DOF with an 85mm at f/1.8 (or f/2) is very thin. Fast glass on longer lenses is not always a good thing.


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I didn't think about that...
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I like the M85/2 on digital, even though its PF at f/2 is pretty atomic in the wrong situations. Nicely softened wide open, but plenty sharp stopped down even slightly. I wouldn't mind the wide open softness if it weren't for the PF, so maybe you'll be fine on film (I confess I haven't used it much on my film bodies).
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The K105/2.8, it will cost less than the K85/1.8 and is almost as good.

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The K105/2.8, it will cost less than the K85/1.8 and is almost as good.

Phil.
However, that lens seems to be significantly harder to find...
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check these out 85mm f2 in Lenses | eBay

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and you can see the specs here Mitakon 85mm F2 Lens Reviews - Miscellaneous Lenses - Pentax Lens Review Database
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check these out 85mm f2 in Lenses | eBay

---------- Post added 04-20-14 at 10:48 PM ----------

and you can see the specs here Mitakon 85mm F2 Lens Reviews - Miscellaneous Lenses - Pentax Lens Review Database
I noticed that one, but very quickly disregarded it. The last Mitakon I had was junk, and nobody else seems to want to take a chance on it.
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