Pentax lenses are suck now...

**Rondec** · 05-01-2014, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by DSims

I do think the DA20-40 could be considered a traveler lens. I don't think the IQ matches most other Limited lenses (perhaps the DA40, which I've always considered the weakest anyway).

The DA*16-50 is far from a perfect lens (no lens of its class is), but I have no intention of trading it in for (or supplementing it with) a DA20-40 which seems to have been completely bypassed by the "pixie dust fairy."

But if you do get one, let us know what you think - I just haven't seen it in the photos, and I've been looking. I see IQ I'd expect from a Pentax zoom that would cost about half that price, at the most. Which is why some people still like it, I'm sure. The IQ is "good enough" for their standards, and it's small and well built, so they just live with the price. But if this is Ricoh's vision of the future, I'm worried.

The DA limiteds are just a little different. Slowish. Decent, but not great wide open. Nice build. Awesome flare resistance. Great colors. But, overall a tough sell against the faster lenses sold by other companies.

I just don't think the 20-40 differs that much from a lens like the DA 40 or the DA 15, which really should be shot at f4 and f8 respectively to get nice edge sharpness, but at the same time are very capable of really great results.

I do think Ricoh is working on glass in the background that they will reveal when the time comes -- probably a 24-70/70-200. But those aren't tough lenses. That track is blazed already and while Pentax may make slightly smaller lenses than other brands, otherwise, I wouldn't expect anything special from those.

It is the weird focal length, tiny, slowish lenses that make Pentax Pentax.

aleonx3 · 05-01-2014, 02:33 PM

I better join the party now... yes, Pentax lens now sucks; nothing like the cheap old Takumar lenses. Pentax is doomed...

DeadJohn · 05-01-2014, 02:49 PM

Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?).

**RobA_Oz** · 05-01-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?).

I agree. The best way to deal with silliness to play it with a dead bat (sounds like a cue for a Monty Python joke) or ignore it. I've been known to get worked up over the casual misuse of an apostrophe, but let's not allow our sense of humour to run away into rampant ridicule of non-native English speakers.

DSims · 05-01-2014, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?).

OK, I've just decided the DA20-40 sucks, and based on my authoritative assessment of this lens we can all agree Pentax' doom is imminent ...

Now I've made two posts that don't contribute in a positive manner.

I think it's possible to reach a point where one opens himself up to all kinds of ridicule - if his content had been just a little more reasonable this never would have happened.

Having said this, I'll withdraw my previous similar but grammatically poor post. Especially since I saw merit in one of the OPs observations.

Driline · 05-01-2014, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by DSims

Having said this, I'll withdraw my previous similar but grammatically poor post. Especially since I saw merit in one of the OPs observations.

I on the other hand refuse to cow tow to some politically correct Pollyanna's. (Said in an Australian accent)

DennisH · 05-01-2014, 03:43 PM

Which are more suck: DA Limited or DA*?

**RobA_Oz** · 05-01-2014, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Driline

I on the other hand refuse to cow tow to some politically correct Pollyanna's. (Said in an Australian accent)

In between towing cows and deploying dead cats (sorry, bats) I think this thread's about run its course, cobber.

**monochrome** · 05-01-2014, 04:13 PM

Yeah, that's about the level of thrashing I accepted last time.

Here's the Wiki post about my Reply - a famous, 15 year old internet meme. No personal harm intended. Just poking an overgeneralized post.

I guess you had to be there. So OK. boriscleto™. There. Fixed now.

All your base are belong to us

Parallax · 05-01-2014, 04:19 PM - **3 Likes**

Lets just put this one out of its misery, eh?
closed

05-01-2014, 03:05 PM	#50
DSims Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,236	Originally posted by DeadJohn Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?). OK, I've just decided the DA20-40 sucks, and based on my authoritative assessment of this lens we can all agree Pentax' doom is imminent ... Now I've made two posts that don't contribute in a positive manner. I think it's possible to reach a point where one opens himself up to all kinds of ridicule - if his content had been just a little more reasonable this never would have happened. Having said this, I'll withdraw my previous similar but grammatically poor post. Especially since I saw merit in one of the OPs observations. Last edited by DSims; 05-01-2014 at 03:11 PM.

05-01-2014, 04:13 PM	#54
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Someone set us up the bomb Yeah, that's about the level of thrashing I accepted last time. Here's the Wiki post about my Reply - a famous, 15 year old internet meme. No personal harm intended. Just poking an overgeneralized post. I guess you had to be there. So OK. boriscleto™. There. Fixed now. All your base are belong to us

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05-01-2014, 02:28 PM	#46
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by DSims I do think the DA20-40 could be considered a traveler lens. I don't think the IQ matches most other Limited lenses (perhaps the DA40, which I've always considered the weakest anyway). The DA*16-50 is far from a perfect lens (no lens of its class is), but I have no intention of trading it in for (or supplementing it with) a DA20-40 which seems to have been completely bypassed by the "pixie dust fairy." But if you do get one, let us know what you think - I just haven't seen it in the photos, and I've been looking. I see IQ I'd expect from a Pentax zoom that would cost about half that price, at the most. Which is why some people still like it, I'm sure. The IQ is "good enough" for their standards, and it's small and well built, so they just live with the price. But if this is Ricoh's vision of the future, I'm worried. The DA limiteds are just a little different. Slowish. Decent, but not great wide open. Nice build. Awesome flare resistance. Great colors. But, overall a tough sell against the faster lenses sold by other companies. I just don't think the 20-40 differs that much from a lens like the DA 40 or the DA 15, which really should be shot at f4 and f8 respectively to get nice edge sharpness, but at the same time are very capable of really great results. I do think Ricoh is working on glass in the background that they will reveal when the time comes -- probably a 24-70/70-200. But those aren't tough lenses. That track is blazed already and while Pentax may make slightly smaller lenses than other brands, otherwise, I wouldn't expect anything special from those. It is the weird focal length, tiny, slowish lenses that make Pentax Pentax.

05-01-2014, 02:33 PM	#47
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	I better join the party now... yes, Pentax lens now sucks; nothing like the cheap old Takumar lenses. Pentax is doomed...

05-01-2014, 02:49 PM	#48
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?).

05-01-2014, 03:02 PM	#49
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by DeadJohn Pick apart the OP's ideas but maybe ignore the grammar. PF has many non-native English writers who contribute in a positive manner. The OP's English is better than my Korean(?). I agree. The best way to deal with silliness to play it with a dead bat (sounds like a cue for a Monty Python joke) or ignore it. I've been known to get worked up over the casual misuse of an apostrophe, but let's not allow our sense of humour to run away into rampant ridicule of non-native English speakers.

05-01-2014, 03:25 PM	#51
Driline Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: IOWA Where the Tall Corn Grows Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,697	Originally posted by DSims Having said this, I'll withdraw my previous similar but grammatically poor post. Especially since I saw merit in one of the OPs observations. I on the other hand refuse to cow tow to some politically correct Pollyanna's. (Said in an Australian accent)

05-01-2014, 03:43 PM	#52
DennisH Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Stratford, CT Photos: Gallery Posts: 730	Which are more suck: DA Limited or DA*?

05-01-2014, 04:04 PM	#53
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Driline I on the other hand refuse to cow tow to some politically correct Pollyanna's. (Said in an Australian accent) In between towing cows and deploying dead cats (sorry, bats) I think this thread's about run its course, cobber.

05-01-2014, 04:19 PM - 3 Likes	#55
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Lets just put this one out of its misery, eh?