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carrrlangas · 05-13-2014, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Funny that people don't like the focal length when it seems like most folks like the 50mm focal length on full frame.

But close to $1000 for a fast-ish normal lens isn´t as appealing as a really fast wide angle lens...

**Rondec** · 05-13-2014, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by carrrlangas

But close to $1000 for a fast-ish normal lens isn´t as appealing as a really fast wide angle lens...

Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is.

carrrlangas · 05-13-2014, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is.

I see what you mean.. To each their own. I´d say "...Just really pricey for what it offers on APS-C"

Wired · 05-13-2014, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is.

It is expensive, I won't argue that. It does have a nice rendering, and the collector in me says never sell it so I have the trio.

However, when it comes to " I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length."" I don't understand... some shooters may not like the FOV that 30mm ish lenses produces, or not have a need for it. Just like others may never have use for or enjoy shooting a 200mm lens. It's just if I'm going out for the day with one lens, chances are the lenses around 30mm are not the ones I'm going to reach for first. My 77mm is always my first choice.

**Rondec** · 05-13-2014, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Wired

It is expensive, I won't argue that. It does have a nice rendering, and the collector in me says never sell it so I have the trio.

However, when it comes to " I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length."" I don't understand... some shooters may not like the FOV that 30mm ish lenses produces, or not have a need for it. Just like others may never have use for or enjoy shooting a 200mm lens. It's just if I'm going out for the day with one lens, chances are the lenses around 30mm are not the ones I'm going to reach for first. My 77mm is always my first choice.

Sure. It's just that the first lens folks ever recommend for a full frame camera is a fast 50. Yet, a lot of people disparage 30mm on APS-C. There is not arguing over taste, but it certainly is a workable focal length...

Wired · 05-13-2014, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

Sure. It's just that the first lens folks ever recommend for a full frame camera is a fast 50. Yet, a lot of people disparage 30mm on APS-C. There is not arguing over taste, but it certainly is a workable focal length...

it's a very workable focal length, can't argue that at all.

I am even puzzled myself. On my Pentax DSLR's I always loved my 50mm lenses. So when I got my D800 the first lens I naturally bought was an 85mm lens. I hardly ever user it, I use my 50mm f1.8 and 135mm f2.0 more than any other prime on my FX format. Yet, on my Pentax, still can't figure out why I don't like using my 31. It makes no sense. I throw on the 43mm or "longer" and I'm perfectly happy, specifically the 77. My bag when I go out/when I went out for walks with my camera was always Pentax K5/3, DA 15, FA 43, FA 77. While on my D800 it's 50 & 135

really different I know...

lytrytyr · 05-13-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Wired

Yet, on my Pentax, still can't figure out why I don't like using my 31. It makes no sense.

I've never liked the 45mm FOV on 35mm film,
after seeing too many really boring products of film P&S cameras
with that focal length.

The 50mm, or even better, 55mm FOVs are just longer enough
to avoid that boring "normal" look.

Wired · 05-13-2014, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

The 50mm, or even better, 55mm FOVs are just longer enough
to avoid that boring "normal" look.

AGREED! I love my DA*55 on my ZX7 (I think is the model) works beautiful and looks great!

calculator01 · 05-13-2014, 09:30 PM

I haven't sold it, but would consider. Price and size are the main factors for me. I enjoy the focal length and the rendering. But much prefer the overall offer that the 43 has. Too me, 31 and 43 are too similar of FL and one (31) will probably have to go.

plus the DA 35 is such a nice lens for 1/5 the cost.

Sandy Hancock · 05-13-2014, 10:13 PM

Sell my Diva?
Inconceivable!!

G and T · 05-14-2014, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Inconceivable!!

I have to agree it's always on one of my bodies both APSC and 35mm film.
Glenn

johnmflores · 05-14-2014, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by calculator01

I haven't sold it, but would consider. Price and size are the main factors for me. I enjoy the focal length and the rendering. But much prefer the overall offer that the 43 has. Too me, 31 and 43 are too similar of FL and one (31) will probably have to go.

plus the DA 35 is such a nice lens for 1/5 the cost.

This. Nine times out of ten the 43 gets the call over the 31. And I do regret selling the DA35. But for some reason I can't part with the 31. It pairs well with the K-01 actually, a pair of big boned brothers.

peterjcb · 05-14-2014, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by yusuf

Would love to get the perspective - Why have you sold your FA31?

Yusuf

...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?...and the answer is that I own a wonderful lens - which I probably could do without - but I simply don't need the money right now.
I think the question you really want to ask is... "Is the FA31 worth the money?"

It all comes down to supply & demand. Currently Amazon is selling them new for around $1200.00 and if the demand drops, so will the price. It's worth what people are willing to pay for it, plain & simple. Market dictates cost.
I paid $900 for my FA31 so I look at it as sort of an investment that I can use and enjoy. It's a truly wonderful lens but there a lots of wonderful lenses out there and I may decided to replace it with in the future....who knows?

Wired · 05-14-2014, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by peterjcb

...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?...and the answer is that I own a wonderful lens - which I probably could do without - but I simply don't need the money right now.
I think the question you really want to ask is... "Is the FA31 worth the money?"

It all comes down to supply & demand. Currently Amazon is selling them new for around $1200.00 and if the demand drops, so will the price. It's worth what people are willing to pay for it, plain & simple. Market dictates cost.
I paid $900 for my FA31 so I look at it as sort of an investment that I can use and enjoy. It's a truly wonderful lens but there a lots of wonderful lenses out there and I may decided to replace it with in the future....who knows?

Agreed, I bought my FA 31 and FA 43 both on sale. I was able to get my FA 31 for a stunning $900 CAD NIB. I found my Japan NIB FA 43 from the same retailer a few months later for $450 CAD. Both local, both I was able to walk in and select from two or three copies to get the one I wanted. Patience is a virtue for great glass!

If I wasn't able to find a price for the 31 for under $1000, I never would have bought it.

yusuf · 05-14-2014, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by peterjcb

...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?...

No - that's not a questions

the perspective I am looking for is why you SOLD, if you have SOLD!!

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05-13-2014, 10:04 AM	#16
carrrlangas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Joensuu (Finland) Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,761	Originally posted by Rondec Funny that people don't like the focal length when it seems like most folks like the 50mm focal length on full frame. But close to $1000 for a fast-ish normal lens isn´t as appealing as a really fast wide angle lens...

05-13-2014, 11:14 AM	#17
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,664	Originally posted by carrrlangas But close to $1000 for a fast-ish normal lens isn´t as appealing as a really fast wide angle lens... Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is.

05-13-2014, 11:16 AM	#18
carrrlangas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Joensuu (Finland) Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,761	Originally posted by Rondec Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is. I see what you mean.. To each their own. I´d say "...Just really pricey for what it offers on APS-C"

05-13-2014, 11:44 AM	#19
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Rondec Sure. I wouldn't argue that it is a great deal. I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length." It is fine as a focal length -- just really pricey for what it is. It is expensive, I won't argue that. It does have a nice rendering, and the collector in me says never sell it so I have the trio. However, when it comes to " I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length."" I don't understand... some shooters may not like the FOV that 30mm ish lenses produces, or not have a need for it. Just like others may never have use for or enjoy shooting a 200mm lens. It's just if I'm going out for the day with one lens, chances are the lenses around 30mm are not the ones I'm going to reach for first. My 77mm is always my first choice.

05-13-2014, 02:03 PM	#20
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,664	Originally posted by Wired It is expensive, I won't argue that. It does have a nice rendering, and the collector in me says never sell it so I have the trio. However, when it comes to " I just don't understand people saying "I don't like the focal length."" I don't understand... some shooters may not like the FOV that 30mm ish lenses produces, or not have a need for it. Just like others may never have use for or enjoy shooting a 200mm lens. It's just if I'm going out for the day with one lens, chances are the lenses around 30mm are not the ones I'm going to reach for first. My 77mm is always my first choice. Sure. It's just that the first lens folks ever recommend for a full frame camera is a fast 50. Yet, a lot of people disparage 30mm on APS-C. There is not arguing over taste, but it certainly is a workable focal length...

05-13-2014, 02:07 PM	#21
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Rondec Sure. It's just that the first lens folks ever recommend for a full frame camera is a fast 50. Yet, a lot of people disparage 30mm on APS-C. There is not arguing over taste, but it certainly is a workable focal length... it's a very workable focal length, can't argue that at all. I am even puzzled myself. On my Pentax DSLR's I always loved my 50mm lenses. So when I got my D800 the first lens I naturally bought was an 85mm lens. I hardly ever user it, I use my 50mm f1.8 and 135mm f2.0 more than any other prime on my FX format. Yet, on my Pentax, still can't figure out why I don't like using my 31. It makes no sense. I throw on the 43mm or "longer" and I'm perfectly happy, specifically the 77. My bag when I go out/when I went out for walks with my camera was always Pentax K5/3, DA 15, FA 43, FA 77. While on my D800 it's 50 & 135 really different I know...

05-13-2014, 02:26 PM	#22
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Wired Yet, on my Pentax, still can't figure out why I don't like using my 31. It makes no sense. I've never liked the 45mm FOV on 35mm film, after seeing too many really boring products of film P&S cameras with that focal length. The 50mm, or even better, 55mm FOVs are just longer enough to avoid that boring "normal" look.

05-13-2014, 03:22 PM	#23
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by lytrytyr The 50mm, or even better, 55mm FOVs are just longer enough to avoid that boring "normal" look. AGREED! I love my DA*55 on my ZX7 (I think is the model) works beautiful and looks great!

05-13-2014, 09:30 PM	#24
calculator01 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 817	I haven't sold it, but would consider. Price and size are the main factors for me. I enjoy the focal length and the rendering. But much prefer the overall offer that the 43 has. Too me, 31 and 43 are too similar of FL and one (31) will probably have to go. plus the DA 35 is such a nice lens for 1/5 the cost.

05-13-2014, 10:13 PM	#25
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Sell my Diva? Inconceivable!!

05-14-2014, 04:00 AM	#26
G and T Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Langwarrin Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 382	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Inconceivable!! I have to agree it's always on one of my bodies both APSC and 35mm film. Glenn

05-14-2014, 05:24 AM	#27
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by calculator01 I haven't sold it, but would consider. Price and size are the main factors for me. I enjoy the focal length and the rendering. But much prefer the overall offer that the 43 has. Too me, 31 and 43 are too similar of FL and one (31) will probably have to go. plus the DA 35 is such a nice lens for 1/5 the cost. This. Nine times out of ten the 43 gets the call over the 31. And I do regret selling the DA35. But for some reason I can't part with the 31. It pairs well with the K-01 actually, a pair of big boned brothers.

05-14-2014, 07:50 AM	#28
peterjcb Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Weddington, NC Posts: 468	Originally posted by yusuf Would love to get the perspective - Why have you sold your FA31? Yusuf ...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?...and the answer is that I own a wonderful lens - which I probably could do without - but I simply don't need the money right now. I think the question you really want to ask is... "Is the FA31 worth the money?" It all comes down to supply & demand. Currently Amazon is selling them new for around $1200.00 and if the demand drops, so will the price. It's worth what people are willing to pay for it, plain & simple. Market dictates cost. I paid $900 for my FA31 so I look at it as sort of an investment that I can use and enjoy. It's a truly wonderful lens but there a lots of wonderful lenses out there and I may decided to replace it with in the future....who knows?

05-14-2014, 08:07 AM	#29
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by peterjcb ...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?...and the answer is that I own a wonderful lens - which I probably could do without - but I simply don't need the money right now. I think the question you really want to ask is... "Is the FA31 worth the money?" It all comes down to supply & demand. Currently Amazon is selling them new for around $1200.00 and if the demand drops, so will the price. It's worth what people are willing to pay for it, plain & simple. Market dictates cost. I paid $900 for my FA31 so I look at it as sort of an investment that I can use and enjoy. It's a truly wonderful lens but there a lots of wonderful lenses out there and I may decided to replace it with in the future....who knows? Agreed, I bought my FA 31 and FA 43 both on sale. I was able to get my FA 31 for a stunning $900 CAD NIB. I found my Japan NIB FA 43 from the same retailer a few months later for $450 CAD. Both local, both I was able to walk in and select from two or three copies to get the one I wanted. Patience is a virtue for great glass! If I wasn't able to find a price for the 31 for under $1000, I never would have bought it.

05-14-2014, 08:51 AM	#30
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497 Original Poster	Originally posted by peterjcb ...well the question for me at least is why have I NOT sold my FA31?... No - that's not a questions the perspective I am looking for is why you SOLD, if you have SOLD!!