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06-27-2014, 01:56 PM   #16
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if you want wide, and don't mind a little fish eye go for the zenitar 16mm F2.8 at $200 new, it is not bad at all.

for a little more take the samyang 14mm F2.8 in KA mount.

not old, but good, and the samyang especially has great coatings for flare resistance

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Just save your pennies and get a DA15. It really does control the mind...
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Has anyone suggested the x Takumar 24/3.5 and K24/3.5 or the (more contrasty but somehow not as satisfying) K24/2.8? They're pricey but they're very good.

If you consider 35mm wide, many manual focus types consider the K35/3.5 one of the two or three best lenses Pentax ever made and they've come down to $129 +/- in the last couple years..

And if you are crazy rich there's the K28/2.
06-28-2014, 01:24 AM   #19
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Has anyone suggested the x Takumar 24/3.5 and K24/3.5 or the (more contrasty but somehow not as satisfying) K24/2.8?
Paul, care to elaborate the comment about the K24/2.8?

In the user reviews of the K24/3.5 that include a comparison,
one reviewer prefers the K24/2.8,
while another prefers the former.

I don't know the K24/3.5 or its threadmount predecessor,
but have been very impressed with the K24/2.8.

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I own some cheap Pentax film-era lenses with so-so image quality. I also have the digital era Sigma 10-20 f3.5, and Tamron 28-75.

None of these come even close to comparing in image quality (at least in my view) to the series 1 vivitar 70-210, which is my favourite lens, and looks amazing for video too (I use my camera for "indie filmmaking" just as often as for photography).

Are there any comparable but wider older lenses? I need something much wider than 70mm. I am shopping around for a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4 so I should have that soon, but I want something even wider in addition to it. Any recommendations?

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While the Series 1 (assuming you have the original, at least) was considered a groundbreaking zoom in its day, the other lenses you have should not be slouches in the resolution department, particularly the Tamron 28-75. I'm wondering if either you have bad copies of these lenses, have bad autofocus, aren't comparing at different apertures, or maybe you're simply looking at details that appear much smaller due to the shorter focal length.
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QuoteOriginally posted by torontoem4o Quote
I own some cheap Pentax film-era lenses with so-so image quality. I also have the digital era Sigma 10-20 f3.5, and Tamron 28-75.

None of these come even close to comparing in image quality (at least in my view) to the series 1 vivitar 70-210, which is my favourite lens, and looks amazing for video too (I use my camera for "indie filmmaking" just as often as for photography).

Are there any comparable but wider older lenses? I need something much wider than 70mm. I am shopping around for a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4 so I should have that soon, but I want something even wider in addition to it. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
As you don't like the tamron 28-75 that is viewed by many as an excelent lens, I understand that your level of exigence is very high. This mean that no old wide angle lens will fit you. The technology was not available. Period.

This also means, you'll need a modern lens, and likely a quite expensive one because you have high expectations. Prime will perform best of course, but you may need several lenses then.

A a list of good modern wide angle lens in K-mount:
- DA15, DA21, DA12-24, DA20-40 for pentax.
- DA16-50 is not perfect, but is still nice.
- Samyang primes...
- sigma 8-16, sigma 18-35 for sigma.

If you look for something not so wide, there are excelent primes like FA31, FA35, DA35 ltd, DA35 f/2.4, DA40, FA43... Old lense can compare in this range of focal length... But this not wide at all. More like normal focal length range.
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Possibly falling prey to the trap of wide-angle lenses that makes them seem not as sharp as other lenses because unless you're taking extreme close ups, you're not seeing the fine details of objects, but that's of course because the view is so wide what is a "fine detail" with a wide-angle lens might be the whole face of a house or something rather than some tiny little thing the size of insect that impresses you when you can see it so clearly from your telephoto.

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Here, a few shoots from my DA21.










if you look to the full size photo, you'll find perfect sharpness on the close-up flower work with quite pleasing bokeh too. For landscape, it not corner to corner sharp like my DA35 or FA50 can be, but I find the results quite pleasing.
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I have several film era lenses and that's my 2 cents experience going down from 35mm (the "wide-angle" on film)
K35 f3.5: This is a very nice lens, my favorite. It has a limited apperture but a limited's sharpness .
A 35 f2.8: This lens is not as sharp as the K but the "A" mode allows a faster use.
Sigma 28 "mini wide II": Not expensive (I paid it 30 euros) but it is a good lens for the price. The "A" mode is a nice plus. Pentax has also the M28 3.5 and M28 2.8. Both of them are cheap but the 3.5 is said to be better (I never used them)
Sigma 18mm f3.5: I bought it to have a 28mm equivalent. It has the "A" mode but produces significant distorsion (as ultra wides of the 70 and 80ies). It is OK for landscape but not architecture.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
Paul, care to elaborate the comment about the K24/2.8?

In the user reviews of the K24/3.5 that include a comparison,
one reviewer prefers the K24/2.8,
while another prefers the former.

I don't know the K24/3.5 or its threadmount predecessor,
but have been very impressed with the K24/2.8.
There may be sample variations.
The K24/2.8 is a very nice lens.
Contrasty, sharp esp. for apsc, flare resistant, small and f2.8.
Also very decent bokeh for a 24mm


On FF,there is IQ loss off center which is often not very obvious on aps-c.
Not that its real bad off center, but its certainly not as sharp as the very sharp center.
(not glaringly obvious too)
However, still a very nice small lens with the above mentioned qualities.


K24/2.8 on FF









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