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jc_leblanc · 10-27-2014, 10:47 AM

Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions?

**UncleVanya** · 10-27-2014, 12:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jc_leblanc

Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions?

Take the camera to a local church and art gallery or any indoor space and use the zoom to frame some images. The k50 has good high ISO performance so I suspect the 35 2.4 is the best choice. But shooting indoors a bit to see the delta between 50 and 35 will help you decide I bet.

EarlVonTapia · 10-27-2014, 12:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jc_leblanc

Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions?

The DA 35mm 2.4 has a bit of a narrow field of view.

In my opinion the kit lens at 18mm and f3.5 does more than okay for indoor shooting with only decent lighting. Just set the dial to scene mode and choose sports. It will prioritize a high shutter speed to help minimize motion blur.

If you can spring for it, getting one of the 17-50mm f2.8 zooms in the future would be a natural upgrade, and shouldn't cost much more, and will provide better performance.

E

**UncleVanya** · 10-27-2014, 02:51 PM - **1 Like**

For those who recommend the 17-50 f/2.8 - what are the T-stops on that vs. the 35mm f/2.4 - I don't want to confuse the OP too much but the delta between the 35mm at F/2.4 and the Kit 18-55 at f/3.5 is more than it appears from what I recall - the zoom is typical and has more light loss at f/3.5 than the rather simple 35mm fixed prime at the same f stop. This confusing reality is going to make the 35mm a lot faster than it at first appears.

However the point about 18mm vs. 35mm is well made. I suggested the framing exercise to get a feel for what focal length is likely to be used. I have successfully shot indoors with an 18-135 and the kit 18-55 many times in typical churches - but some are darker than others. Sometimes I have dragged out my faster lenses and been rewarded with shots I couldn't get otherwise.

**Kerrowdown** · 10-27-2014, 03:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jc_leblanc

inside the Sistine Chapel

For the Sistine Chapel just buy the guide book for the images and that will allow you more to just stand in awe looking at all the fine artwork... which is just fabulous.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-27-2014, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

For the Sistine Chapel just buy the guide book for the images and that will allow you more to just stand in awe looking at all the fine artwork... which is just fabulous.

Photography is not allowed in there, anyway, but when I last visited it seems no-one worried about using phone cameras...

**pacerr** · 10-27-2014, 06:07 PM

There is good advice above, but the best I can suggest is to acquire some very economical used zooms and explore their focal lengths (fields of view!) until you know what YOU want to use for various situations. Shooting 'at home' with those lenses in mundane locations will give you the experience and confidence to invest in quality lenses that fit your personal style of photography.

Think of those economy zooms as a pocket full of primes and shoot with them at predetermined focal lengths to concentrate the experience. A wide rubber band helps "lock" the zooms at a given FL until you deliberately change it.

It's not the IMAGE quality of the results that's important here, it's learning first hand what the lens perspective does for YOUR vision. This takes a little time and a LOT of patience but pays off big time in the cost of buying lenses that don't work FOR YOU.

jc_leblanc · 10-27-2014, 06:45 PM

I plan on going to local cathedrals and outside monuments, i like the comment about buying the guide book at the Vatican, makes sense. i really don't want to be over burdened with lenses, i have a 70 to 210 and my 18 to 55, I have till may 2015, Ill post some pics of my progress for feedback, thanks for the advise.

10-27-2014, 10:47 AM	#1
jc_leblanc New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 9	med cruise Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions?

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10-27-2014, 12:16 PM - 1 Like	#2
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,401	Originally posted by jc_leblanc Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions? Take the camera to a local church and art gallery or any indoor space and use the zoom to frame some images. The k50 has good high ISO performance so I suspect the 35 2.4 is the best choice. But shooting indoors a bit to see the delta between 50 and 35 will help you decide I bet.

10-27-2014, 12:27 PM - 1 Like	#3
EarlVonTapia Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,207	Originally posted by jc_leblanc Just bought a K50, and I am very green at this. the Camera came with a DA 18-55 f3.5-5.6. I"m afraid I might have a hard time taking indoor, low lighting photograph where flashes are prohibited. I am contemplating buying an affordable wide angle lens. I'm looking at either the DA 35mm f 2.4, or the DA 50mm 1.8, they are both under $200. Would the 35mm work well in low light to capture inside the Sistine Chapel? The 50mm had a lower f stop but i would have to stand further back. Any suggestions? The DA 35mm 2.4 has a bit of a narrow field of view. In my opinion the kit lens at 18mm and f3.5 does more than okay for indoor shooting with only decent lighting. Just set the dial to scene mode and choose sports. It will prioritize a high shutter speed to help minimize motion blur. If you can spring for it, getting one of the 17-50mm f2.8 zooms in the future would be a natural upgrade, and shouldn't cost much more, and will provide better performance. E

10-27-2014, 02:51 PM - 1 Like	#4
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,401	For those who recommend the 17-50 f/2.8 - what are the T-stops on that vs. the 35mm f/2.4 - I don't want to confuse the OP too much but the delta between the 35mm at F/2.4 and the Kit 18-55 at f/3.5 is more than it appears from what I recall - the zoom is typical and has more light loss at f/3.5 than the rather simple 35mm fixed prime at the same f stop. This confusing reality is going to make the 35mm a lot faster than it at first appears. However the point about 18mm vs. 35mm is well made. I suggested the framing exercise to get a feel for what focal length is likely to be used. I have successfully shot indoors with an 18-135 and the kit 18-55 many times in typical churches - but some are darker than others. Sometimes I have dragged out my faster lenses and been rewarded with shots I couldn't get otherwise.

10-27-2014, 03:00 PM - 1 Like	#5
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,818	Originally posted by jc_leblanc inside the Sistine Chapel For the Sistine Chapel just buy the guide book for the images and that will allow you more to just stand in awe looking at all the fine artwork... which is just fabulous.

10-27-2014, 03:08 PM	#6
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Kerrowdown For the Sistine Chapel just buy the guide book for the images and that will allow you more to just stand in awe looking at all the fine artwork... which is just fabulous. Photography is not allowed in there, anyway, but when I last visited it seems no-one worried about using phone cameras...

10-27-2014, 06:07 PM	#7
pacerr Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Paris, TN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,349	There is good advice above, but the best I can suggest is to acquire some very economical used zooms and explore their focal lengths (fields of view!) until you know what YOU want to use for various situations. Shooting 'at home' with those lenses in mundane locations will give you the experience and confidence to invest in quality lenses that fit your personal style of photography. Think of those economy zooms as a pocket full of primes and shoot with them at predetermined focal lengths to concentrate the experience. A wide rubber band helps "lock" the zooms at a given FL until you deliberately change it. It's not the IMAGE quality of the results that's important here, it's learning first hand what the lens perspective does for YOUR vision. This takes a little time and a LOT of patience but pays off big time in the cost of buying lenses that don't work FOR YOU.

10-27-2014, 06:45 PM	#8
jc_leblanc New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 9 Original Poster	I plan on going to local cathedrals and outside monuments, i like the comment about buying the guide book at the Vatican, makes sense. i really don't want to be over burdened with lenses, i have a 70 to 210 and my 18 to 55, I have till may 2015, Ill post some pics of my progress for feedback, thanks for the advise.