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VisualDarkness · 11-03-2014, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Does it mean that there are no 20-40 with issues? Are you a measure of all things in the world?

You wrote that Pentax got "no quality control" and everybody even slightly into manufacturing will tell you that the statement is false. Perfect quality control is both way too expensive and practically utopia so there will always be bad copies.

ogl · 11-03-2014, 11:36 PM

Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies.
I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it.
The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong?

---------- Post added 11-03-2014 at 11:40 PM ----------

Originally posted by MPrince

You made a blanket statement that is demonstrably false. Man up, and admit you were wrong to do so.

You ask me to explain you why your lenses are good, isn't it strange?

Why I don't ask you why my copy of 20-40 was bad?

**Pål Jensen** · 11-04-2014, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies.
I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it.
The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong?

Why not get another copy? My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box. Got a new one. This one developed a mark on the inside of the rear element due to the fact that the focusing group lens collided with the fixed rear element. Then I got another one. It works perfectly....

ogl · 11-04-2014, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Why not get another copy? My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box. Got a new one. This one developed a mark on the inside of the rear element due to the fact that the focusing group lens collided with the fixed rear element. Then I got another one. It works perfectly....

I can buy Pentax lenses only thru internet. The Pentax's official dealer is 5000 km from my home. I can't check the lenses before buying.
Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31.

They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide.

lytrytyr · 11-04-2014, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box.

Maybe the AIV versions are better!

**Pål Jensen** · 11-04-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I can buy Pentax lenses only thru internet. The Pentax's official dealer is 5000 km from my home. I can't check the lenses before buying.
Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31.

They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide.

I bought it through the net as well. My Pentax dealer is only 2000km away by air.....

redcat · 11-04-2014, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31. They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide.

what dealer did you purchase from ? I absolutely want a misdeliver like that

**UncleVanya** · 11-04-2014, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies.
I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it.
The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong?

---------- Post added 11-03-2014 at 11:40 PM ----------

You ask me to explain you why your lenses are good, isn't it strange?

Why I don't ask you why my copy of 20-40 was bad?

I'm hoping this is a language issue. The comments so far have not been useful to those of us who do not own the lens and wonder how good or bad it is. Rather than claim they are good or bad - maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here. Otherwise I would just as soon stop reading this thread as it is deteriorated into he said she said without any real backing.

redcat · 11-04-2014, 09:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bradshea

maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here

straight to the point ! one image worth a thousand words !

ogl · 11-04-2014, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by redcat

what dealer did you purchase from ? I absolutely want a misdeliver like that

Pentax Russia. Sankt Peterburg.
There is one computer shop (!!!) which sells some Pentax lenses in my city. But only one copy of each lens. And more expensive than in Sankt Peterburg.
But no 20-40 there.

redcat · 11-20-2014, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax Russia. Sankt Peterburg.

too far for me

and I guess the tax here will double the prize of the lens

lytrytyr · 11-20-2014, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by bradshea

The comments so far have not been useful to those of us who do not own the lens and wonder how good or bad it is. Rather than claim they are good or bad - maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here.

There are lots of pictures with the lens on the
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html

BTW, I suspect that many complaints about softness at the wide end are due to reliance on PDAF.

On DSLRs, you can either focus at 40mm and then zoom out,
relying on the parfocal properties of the lens,
or else use the CDAF from live view.

**UncleVanya** · 11-20-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

There are lots of pictures with the lens on the
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html

It would be better if those stating that they see good or bad results backed it up by referencing the actual photos that illustrate their points.

lytrytyr · 11-20-2014, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by bradshea

It would be better if those stating that they see good or bad results backed it up by referencing the actual photos that illustrate their points.

You mean like this:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html#post2648227

or this:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2710734

(click the links!)

**UncleVanya** · 11-20-2014, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

You mean like this:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html#post2648227

or this:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2710734

(click the links!)

No I don't. I have clicked. The links lead to generally nice photos but nothing tied to the arguments made directly in the thread.

11-03-2014, 11:36 PM	#32
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies. I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it. The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong? ---------- Post added 11-03-2014 at 11:40 PM ---------- Originally posted by MPrince You made a blanket statement that is demonstrably false. Man up, and admit you were wrong to do so. You ask me to explain you why your lenses are good, isn't it strange? Why I don't ask you why my copy of 20-40 was bad? Last edited by ogl; 11-03-2014 at 11:41 PM.

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11-03-2014, 09:43 PM	#31
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by ogl Does it mean that there are no 20-40 with issues? Are you a measure of all things in the world? You wrote that Pentax got "no quality control" and everybody even slightly into manufacturing will tell you that the statement is false. Perfect quality control is both way too expensive and practically utopia so there will always be bad copies.

11-04-2014, 06:33 AM	#33
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by ogl Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies. I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it. The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong? Why not get another copy? My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box. Got a new one. This one developed a mark on the inside of the rear element due to the fact that the focusing group lens collided with the fixed rear element. Then I got another one. It works perfectly....

11-04-2014, 07:28 AM	#34
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Why not get another copy? My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box. Got a new one. This one developed a mark on the inside of the rear element due to the fact that the focusing group lens collided with the fixed rear element. Then I got another one. It works perfectly.... I can buy Pentax lenses only thru internet. The Pentax's official dealer is 5000 km from my home. I can't check the lenses before buying. Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31. They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide.

11-04-2014, 08:19 AM	#35
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Pål Jensen My first MIJ 77 Limited had smear on the inside of the rear element right out of the box. Maybe the AIV versions are better!

11-04-2014, 08:38 AM	#36
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by ogl I can buy Pentax lenses only thru internet. The Pentax's official dealer is 5000 km from my home. I can't check the lenses before buying. Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31. They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide. I bought it through the net as well. My Pentax dealer is only 2000km away by air.....

11-04-2014, 09:32 AM	#37
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by ogl Pentax dealer had changed my 20-40 to FA31. They offered another copy of 20-40, but I couldn't decide. what dealer did you purchase from ? I absolutely want a misdeliver like that

11-04-2014, 09:50 AM	#38
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,476	Originally posted by ogl Read one more time, please. And I will wait for your apologies. I had experience of shooting with DA20-40. I understand that this lens has potential and ability, but I can't get it. The price of lens was 1000 EURO, I'd like to see better QC for such money. Am I wrong? ---------- Post added 11-03-2014 at 11:40 PM ---------- You ask me to explain you why your lenses are good, isn't it strange? Why I don't ask you why my copy of 20-40 was bad? I'm hoping this is a language issue. The comments so far have not been useful to those of us who do not own the lens and wonder how good or bad it is. Rather than claim they are good or bad - maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here. Otherwise I would just as soon stop reading this thread as it is deteriorated into he said she said without any real backing.

11-04-2014, 09:52 AM - 1 Like	#39
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by bradshea maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here straight to the point ! one image worth a thousand words !

11-04-2014, 12:15 PM	#40
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by redcat what dealer did you purchase from ? I absolutely want a misdeliver like that Pentax Russia. Sankt Peterburg. There is one computer shop (!!!) which sells some Pentax lenses in my city. But only one copy of each lens. And more expensive than in Sankt Peterburg. But no 20-40 there.

11-20-2014, 08:46 AM	#41
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by ogl Pentax Russia. Sankt Peterburg. too far for me and I guess the tax here will double the prize of the lens

11-20-2014, 02:28 PM	#42
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by bradshea The comments so far have not been useful to those of us who do not own the lens and wonder how good or bad it is. Rather than claim they are good or bad - maybe posting pictures taken with the bad and good versions would help us understand the various perspectives here. There are lots of pictures with the lens on the https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html BTW, I suspect that many complaints about softness at the wide end are due to reliance on PDAF. On DSLRs, you can either focus at 40mm and then zoom out, relying on the parfocal properties of the lens, or else use the CDAF from live view.

11-20-2014, 02:34 PM	#43
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,476	Originally posted by lytrytyr There are lots of pictures with the lens on the https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html It would be better if those stating that they see good or bad results backed it up by referencing the actual photos that illustrate their points.

11-20-2014, 07:03 PM	#44
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by bradshea It would be better if those stating that they see good or bad results backed it up by referencing the actual photos that illustrate their points. You mean like this: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html#post2648227 or this: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2710734 (click the links!)

11-20-2014, 07:25 PM	#45
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,476	Originally posted by lytrytyr You mean like this: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-club.html#post2648227 or this: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2710734 (click the links!) No I don't. I have clicked. The links lead to generally nice photos but nothing tied to the arguments made directly in the thread.

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