Originally posted by AquaDome Where does PDAF happen?
In the camera.
Originally posted by AquaDome What information does the camera send to the lens?
Requests for AF adjustment values (and potentially other information, such as MTF data) and commands for the lens AF motor (if one is present).
Originally posted by AquaDome What information does the lens send back to the camera?
Relevant for our discussion are the AF adjustment values.
The lens EEPROM contains a matrix which contains AF adjustment values that depend on the subject distance and the focal lens. In theory, they could also depend on the target aperture (for lenses with focus shift), but I haven't seen any evidence for the presence of such data in Pentax lens EEPROMs. I have read, however, that even Pentax service cannot fix a lens that shows focus shift by just changing the EEPROM data. I do not know whether that's due to the lack of corresponding software or due to the fact that the EEPROM does not contain respective data.
BTW, all modern lenses have many AF adjustment values stored in their on-board memory. The Sigma dock only enables convenient access to them. For some Pentax lenses, the locations of the respective AF adjustment values have been reverse-engineered and you may fine-adjust these lenses by changing the lens EEPROM.
Originally posted by AquaDome How is it that the camera sees the image and tells the lens what to do, yet releases the lens from its focusing duties with the image out of focus?
There are two cases:
- Either the camera (incorrectly) believes it has achieved focus, or
- the camera is unable to achieve focus and goes with what it can get.
There is a feedback loop that ensures that the camera keeps trying to achieve focus while it has not obtained focus yet, but there is also a time-out, i.e., the camera will not try to obtain focus forever.
Originally posted by AquaDome Is something in the optics spoofing the sensor to believe it has achieved focus when it is only near focus?
The reasons why PDAF can yield misfocus on the sensor are manifold.
Just imagine the PDAF module sitting a miniscule fraction too far back. This will produce a constant misfocus as the module then calculates the correct focus for a sensor that would be set back by the same amount.
There are also a number of optical properties of lenses, e.g., focus shift (the shifting of the focus plane due to a change in aperture caused by spherical aberration) that can misguide the PDAF module.
However, all other such issues that I know of, are constant when you fix the focal length and the subject-camera-distance (and the aperture). In other words, one can correct them with appropriate AF adjustments (the Sigma dock allows you to do that for a number of distance/focal-length pairs).
Potential reasons as to why the reviewer did not succeed to address the AF issues with the lens include
- he didn't try hard enough,
- he used inadequate procedures to obtain the AF adjustment values (I'm referring to the AF adjustment values that are to be transferred to the lens via the Sigma dock),
- the error is consistent but depends on the aperture (however it would then be fixable for one aperture choice),
- the lens is so screwed up that the number of available AF adjustment values is not sufficient, or
- the AF errors are completely erratic, i.e., cannot be addressed with the constant offsets that the AF adjustment values represent.
I cannot speculate which of the above applies and it is possible that I'm missing something. I'm hopeful that we will get to the bottom of this mystery issue (which seems to affect some other users of this lens as well, but certainly not all of them).
Originally posted by AquaDome Is the camera releasing the lens in-focus, but the lens motor keeps spinning (run-on), stopping passed where focus should have been?
We know that this is not the case because CDAF is reported to work excellently.
Hence, the problem is not in the enactment of the motor commands.
Originally posted by AquaDome Is there a protocol that lenses use when communicating with the camera?
Sure, but Sigma knows at least the relevant bits of it and I highly doubt that there is any problem here.
Originally posted by AquaDome Someone at Sigma knows the answers to all of these questions. My guess it they are keeping tight-lipped about it while they attempt to pump the water out of their intermittently-leaky boat.
This is assuming that they actually have something to cover up.
The latter, however, has not been proven.
It is very unfortunate that the reviewer received two copies which he could not get to focus with PDAF properly, but I'm close to 100% certain that either the AF adjustments were not performed properly or the individual lens copies have some issue, but that there is not a systemic problem of the lens design (only the latter would justify giving the lens a "4" for AF performance).
Just for reference: DPReview looked at three copies of the DA* 55/1.4 for reviewing and all of them had decentering issues. They also experienced a lot of focus inconsistencies. This, despite the fact the lenses had been ordered from Pentax UK specifically for reviewing.
I cannot rule out that Sigma has some problem with the lens, but the anecdotal evidence collected so far does not prove that the lens does not work in K-mount, nor that Sigma has a QC problem that is worse compared to other manufacturers.
I hope the reviewer and/or Adam are willing to contact Sigma about their findings and that Sigma will provide a response.
Last edited by Class A; 11-05-2014 at 03:30 AM.