Originally posted by DogLover I couldn't care less what the numbers show on the tests, images from the 18-135, at least the vast majority of them, just have no "oomph" to them. I don't think posting the test results along with the photos would make them look any better, but I could be wrong. As I said before, it's a kit lens. The results you get from it look like a pretty decent kit lens, and if that's ok with you, then have at it. It is your money.
Personally, if I'm not trying to get the best quality I possibly can, then I don't even need to be messing around with a DSLR. Compacts and PnS's are getting better all the time. My equipment represents what is currently the optimum cost/bulk/quality ratio for me.
I agree with you. The vast majority of images I've seen from the DA18-135 lack the necessary qualities to make them truly compelling. And it's not just the photographer. These qualities can even be difficult to categorize at times, but they're what makes you stop to look at certain images (while disregarding others). Yet I still don't deny that it's a very good lens in the right circumstances, and I've considered getting one for travel ever since they came out. But somehow, every time I thought I might get one, I quickly came back to your conclusion - If I'm taking my DSLR, I'll take at least a couple of my better lenses. Otherwise I'll just use my Olympus XZ-1.
Originally posted by DogLover Agreed, I guess, and if you look at my signature you'll see that most of my lenses are primes. That is what I use probably 90% of the time. But the discussion in this thread is about zooms.
As I'm sure Norm knows, I
don't agree with about half of what he says, and I'm not afraid to say so.
But if you haven't seen his work, you should look at some of his images - they're very impressive! I think he gets the best results I've ever seen out of those lenses. They suit his style, and he really knows how to get the most out of them.
Originally posted by normhead OK, I get it, you say you've seen better results out of the DA *16-50. I say do blind test and show me the results. We've seen lots of people in here go on and on about what they can see, and come up really lame on the blind tests.
So if you really want images that pop, look at lenses like the 77 and 31 that have really low CA numbers. IN my experience, that's what gets you pop. Not a CA disaster like the 16-50. If the numerical values are similar, the lens with the best control of CA will produce the best image every time. And that's why I'm happy using the 18-135, and 60-250, bypassing the 16-50. Although the 50-135 is quite good at 90, it's largely unimpressive. Especially since the Tarmon 90 is so good. Look at the numbers for the 60-250. That's what a good zoom can look like. As I said not as good as the Tarmon 90, or my Sigma 70 but darn good. The DA*16-50 and DA*50-135, there are some CA issues there. Personally, if you don't need ƒ2.8, my guess is the DA 18-135 and DA* 60-250 will give you a lot more pop. Especially if you have primes to fill in for the 18-135 when appropriate.
It sounds like you're concentrating on certain aspects of an image's "pop," and completely ignoring others. Better-aligned focus in all the colors simultaneously (i.e. a lack of CA) is only one factor. Subject isolation, Bokeh, transition to OOF - all these factors matter greatly as well. And naturally so do many other characteristics, including color rendition.
I KNOW you can't provide any 50mm blind tests comparing the DA*16-50 and DA18-135 at f/3.5. Nor can you provide any 135mm blind tests comparing the DA*60-250, DA18-135 and DA*50-135 at f/3.5! Yet I shoot both these DA* lenses around that aperture most of the time. In fact, I often shoot my FA*85 around f/3.5 too, so it's not just what I shoot at because it's as wide as the aperture can go (with good IQ) on the 50-135 - it's actually the amount of subject isolation and DOF I want anyway! Yet I can't even use that aperture on your two lenses.
So what good would those other two lenses be to me? Very little, unless I happen to desperately need the wider or longer end mounted on the same camera at the same time.
Still, I would sincerely be interested in seeing links to where you've shown some of these tests, because I've seen that you produce very good images with your lenses. I imagine the IQ characteristics you're comparing are very important to some (perhaps even most) shooters. And I'm also very curious as to what aspects they don't cover, which may be important to other types of photographers.
BTW, I sold my Tamron 90 macro, while I still have my "largely unimpressive" DA*50-135. And I replaced the Tamron 90 with the D FA 100 WR macro. The Tamron 90 is very impressive (perhaps Tamron's best K-mount lens), but these other two lenses fit my needs, style and tastes better.
Last edited by DSims; 12-28-2014 at 02:53 AM.