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01-21-2015, 11:17 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
... But, for me, I've done a bit of work on this, I enjoy the opinions of others who have also done a bit of work.
Thank you for sharing your evaluation methodology - I value and respect that.

In the interest of clarity, I will mention that I have a different approach. I arrived at my opinion having shot collectively tens of thousands of frames on the DA35 Ltd, FA77 Ltd, FA43 Ltd, DA*16-50 and DA*50-135, and more recently the DA*200; and this in various photographic contexts, lighting, etc.

As the years went by, I began to understand or "learn" the optical nature and rendering of a given lens. It may not be a perfect methodology, but I see it as useful. So my opinion is formed based on "work" done over the years, carefully reviewing thousands of shots.

On another note, I think most would agree that really the big thing in photography is enjoying the shooting, and creating masterpieces which we can look back on with delight.

To that end, I wish you the best success in ultimately choosing your preferred lens(es), and may you continue to shoot wonderful pictures, regardless of lens, in your upcoming hiking and canoeing trips.

Cheers, my friend.

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QuoteOriginally posted by KDAFA Quote
Thank you for sharing your evaluation methodology - I value and respect that.

In the interest of clarity, I will mention that I have a different approach. I arrived at my opinion having shot collectively tens of thousands of frames on the DA35 Ltd, FA77 Ltd, FA43 Ltd, DA*16-50 and DA*50-135, and more recently the DA*200; and this in various photographic contexts, lighting, etc.

As the years went by, I began to understand or "learn" the optical nature and rendering of a given lens. It may not be a perfect methodology, but I see it as useful. So my opinion is formed based on "work" done over the years, carefully reviewing thousands of shots.

On another note, I think most would agree that really the big thing in photography is enjoying the shooting, and creating masterpieces which we can look back on with delight.

To that end, I wish you the best success in ultimately choosing your preferred lens(es), and may you continue to shoot wonderful pictures, regardless of lens, in your upcoming hiking and canoeing trips.

Cheers, my friend.
I have the same for my primes and zoom. I'am sure that DA15, DA21, DA35 and FA50 are better than the 17-70 I had, because it took so many image with both. Like I know for sure DA50-135 is better than FA50 (to me) or 17-70 on their shared range. Except the 50-135 focus more slowly. And I'am sure that to me the FA77 is better.

This is not comparing 1 image to 1 image. This is taking many images, staring at them trying to get the most out of them. In some occasion that even the same image more or less... That show obviously how different a picture taken with this or this is different.

Because I don't have all the lenses or all focals I also go through many picture here on the forum, or on flickr to see how they look.

For sure it is not necessarily zoom vs prime. DA20-40 render very differently than FA31 and I might very well think the 20-40 rendering specificity is more interresting in many cases as I already have an FA77 when I need shallow deph of field...
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I think the biggest reason to go with the DA *200 is if you want a smaller size than you get with the 70-200 zooms that are on the market right now. The Tamron is priced pretty similarly -- probably cheaper used. The new one coming from Pentax, I expect to be in the 2000 dollar range, so not cheap at all.

The 60-250 is a really nice lens. I happen to own the 50-135 and the 200 instead. Basically, I like having f2.8 available and mostly shoot in the 50-135 range -- the 200 is a significantly less frequently used lens than the other. My wife does do indoor work in lighting that isn't the greatest and having f2.8 comes in really handy there.

As I said before, it is my favorite zoo lens -- the 55-300 just doesn't compare...



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I think the biggest reason to go with the DA *200 is if you want a smaller size than you get with the 70-200 zooms that are on the market right now. The Tamron is priced pretty similarly -- probably cheaper used. The new one coming from Pentax, I expect to be in the 2000 dollar range, so not cheap at all.

The 60-250 is a really nice lens. I happen to own the 50-135 and the 200 instead. Basically, I like having f2.8 available and mostly shoot in the 50-135 range -- the 200 is a significantly less frequently used lens than the other. My wife does do indoor work in lighting that isn't the greatest and having f2.8 comes in really handy there.

As I said before, it is my favorite zoo lens -- the 55-300 just doesn't compare...



Just to be clear, I wasn't at all putting down the 60-250, or any other lens for that matter.

Rather I was speaking, in general, of zooms and primes, and the observed (small) difference in IQ thereof. I think both the 60-250 and the 50-135 give great output - fabulous glass, both.
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Simply wonderful shot of the bird. Terrific colours, lighting and bokeh - love it!

And the gorilla is just hilarious!

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Can't remember if I mentioned the 135mm Samyang coming out soon .. looks interesting.. with a 1.4x TC that's around 189mm

But I am enchanted with Pentax colours have never shot non-pentax on a pentax body...

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Simply wonderful shot of the bird. Terrific colours, lighting and bokeh - love it!

And the gorilla is just hilarious!
Indeed these colours/shots are excellent IMO
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I am seriously looking at this lens as well. I have the DA*300, and it is stellar. It makes me wonder what the shorter one can do, especially in large indoor locations.
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I think the biggest reason to go with the DA *200 is if you want a smaller size than you get with the 70-200 zooms that are on the market right now
Yeah this is the dilema... The Tamron's performance may be enough for me (as most of the shooting is landscape and static, so can stop down)... but theres something about Pentax glass and also AW/WR...

How bulky is the DA* 200mm .. is it something you can travel with? If not then advantage goes to Tamron probably for me (VFM)
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The 200mm is one of those lenses I really have to think hard about before deciding if I want to purchase it. It's a beautiful lens no doubt and takes some very nice pictures, but the purple fringing thing(which is a real PITA to remove) does make you think twice. If I was shooting sports, or weddings then it would be a no-brainer, but 200mm becomes a whopping 300mm on a cropped sensor which is a little beyond my range for casual shooting. I doubt if I would ever use such an expensive lens very often.


As far as the new up-coming lenses, I'm hoping that Pentax/Richo shows that they are serious about competing with Canikon(or at least being an alternative to Canikon) by producing some high-quality semi-pro, or pro telephoto lenses. A 70-200 f4 or 2.8 with the same build standards as the Limited lenses would be a huge step in attracting more serious photographers. Even if the build is like the 100mm WR Macro I would be happy, but if they come out with another consumer f4.5/5.6 plastic lens, I doubt if I will take a second look.
I avoid purple fringing with my DA*200 by not shooting up into trees with clear skies behind the branches. To me the purple fringing complaint is exaggerated.

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I avoid purple fringing with my DA*200 by not shooting up into trees with clear skies behind the branches. To me the purple fringing complaint is exaggerated.
... And when it occurs it is relatively easy to clean up in LR (and presumably with other software too), at least in my (admittedly limited) experience.
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Yeah this is the dilema... The Tamron's performance may be enough for me (as most of the shooting is landscape and static, so can stop down)... but theres something about Pentax glass and also AW/WR...

How bulky is the DA* 200mm .. is it something you can travel with? If not then advantage goes to Tamron probably for me (VFM)
It's about 150mm or so in length, and receives 77mm filters at the front element. But if you plan to store the lens with the hood mounted (reversed), the diameter will be increased around 15mm or so.

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I avoid purple fringing with my DA*200 by not shooting up into trees with clear skies behind the branches. To me the purple fringing complaint is exaggerated.
Individual user experience will doubtless vary, but fwiw, I will say that the fringing thing might indeed be a bit over-played....? Dunno, certainly I'm not getting like 3 bad shots in 10, it's more like 3 in 100, or even lower. The main thing is to be careful when shooting high contrast scenes against strong backlight, while selecting a large aperture.

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... And when it occurs it is relatively easy to clean up in LR (and presumably with other software too), at least in my (admittedly limited) experience.
I haven't much experience cleaning up purple fringing, simply because it rarely happened - serious!

Just want to share a method I use. I open the file in ACR, select the HSL tab, and go for the "purple" colour band. Then, slowly slide the saturation to the left, going only as far as necessary to leave the fringing no longer offensive. In short, what's happening is the fringing is being "de-coloured". It's surprisingly effective and simple.

If however other parts of the picture contain critical purple content, this method may need modification - maybe work in separate layers... ?Haven't gone that far myself, because to my surprise, I realised the colour purple actually shows up pretty rare in my pictures, strange maybe, but true. Maybe others have a similar experience...?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Conqueror Quote
Yeah this is the dilema... The Tamron's performance may be enough for me (as most of the shooting is landscape and static, so can stop down)... but theres something about Pentax glass and also AW/WR...

How bulky is the DA* 200mm .. is it something you can travel with? If not then advantage goes to Tamron probably for me (VFM)
Size-wise, it is really close in length to the 50-135 f2.8 and handles pretty similarly. It is a little heavier than the 50-135.
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The main thing is to be careful when shooting high contrast scenes against strong backlight, while selecting a large aperture.

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