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01-29-2015, 10:41 PM   #16
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If you only have one body, you should actually not shoot weddings. I would be highly upset if there wouldn't be photos of my wedding because of faulty equipment.
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You'll have at least one lens on each camera, so you could go with either. And you may want both, eventually. But the DA*50-135 is awfully good, so I'd start with it.

Actually, wouldn't you be better off buying the DA*50-135 used, and putting the savings toward a used FA77 or similar lens? Now you've got a backup - stop worrying about possible SDM failure and overpaying for the lens because of it. Yes, the FA77 actually can replace the DA*50-135 in most cases, and is better for some. But for daytime events the DA*50-135 is my favorite lens. My FA*85 (sold the FA77 for it) gets used slightly more, but obviously excels in different ways. The FA77 is almost as good as it. None of these lacks in IQ at all, IMO.
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The 50-135 is definitely the place to start. You can fill in your line up with primes later. There are definitely situations where you will have more time -- shooting couple shots -- and can use primes, but for the majority of a wedding, zooms are the way to go. If you need more light, than learning flashes is important.
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Thanks for the feedback folks, seems I should go with the Dr Spock side of the brain and get the 50-135 as originally planned. It should be noted that I tend towards the boy scout "be over-prepared" school of thought! I'm still in the experience and gear acquisition phase so to speak, planing on another season shooting second and I'm joining the AIPP and doing their mentoring course. Aiming for at least 10 weddings before offering my services professionally. Gear wise I'm planning on a second K3 (or better) and keeping the K7 as the third body hacked to screwdrive for SDM failure. Will effectively have full set of zooms(16-50 & 50-135) and primes(14, 21, 43, 77, 100) at hand too once I'm finished. I suppose I could sell my triple redundant stuff like sigma 17-70 though.

In some situation I think the 16-50 on one body with the 77 on the other would work quite well, although you run out of length quite easily. I suspect I would miss the 70mm sweet spot if the 16-50 is paired with the 100wr. I actually think the 50-135 paired with the 21 (or a 31/43 on FF) would be a more likely combo in some respects.
Time to research quick release tripod/harness options I guess. Thank god I don't need to lug a 70-200/2.8 around!
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Hey, Im just wondering, why would you need the 100mm WR? For closeups of rings and other objects? Wouldn't it make more sense to choose a 35mm macro instead, since it would also double as (almost) wide angle? And I know the DFA 100mm is a great lens, but for portraiture the FA 77mm should be better, due to its pixie dust - the DFA 100mm is super sharp (unflattering) and has almost no character (macro lenses usually don't).

Edit: Oh, and I think most of the wedding photographers on this forum use the 50-135mm lens. Weddings are the kind of place where you often need flexibility of zoom. You can't just run around constantly and switch primes every 5 min.
I've used the 100wr in conjunction with a 17-70 and its quite an effective combo in outdoor conditions. The 100wr does have the wonderful pentax colour and is quite an underrated portrait lens (if you have space) Obviously the zooms are better in the time restricted ceremony sections but once you hit the social sections of the wedding I find small primes help enormously as you subjects are more relaxed. Lusting after a 77ltd though! (hence this thread)

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YUP!

Weddings are scary man. I think 2014 was my last summer doing weddings solo, period. Great pay days, but not worth the headaches. I want to enjoy what I'm doing. I see these seasoned weddings shooters who started for the art and are now just driven by money now. The art is "lost" on them, and they admit that. Weddings drag me down personally. But, being a second shooter for two years before taking on more solos was one of the best decisions I've ever made to get me the experience to shoot on my own.
As a former rockclimber, my version of scary is committing to a hard traverse move off a crimp hold with numb fingertips with a potential ground fall in the equation!
I agree that you don't do wedding photography for art, you do it because you love taking in the joy of someones wedding and hopefully giving back twice as much in return with your photos. Managing clients expectations and working towards ensuring the clients has the best possible wedding day are two areas that many photographers struggle with. Wedding photography is inherently time consuming and invasive, informing your clients of this and getting them to find the right balance will generally lead to less award winning photos, but more happy customers who remember their fantastic day instead of remembering time wasted with their photographer (which is all too common, unfortunately as I learnt on my own wedding day).

Anyway time for bed, I think I'm starting to sound cranky!
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So I'm starting to get my kit together for shooting weddings, and I am tossing up whether to go with the obvious choice in the Da* 50-135 to pair with my 16-50 or instead choose the 77ltd to fill the gap below the 100wr.
pros of 50-135:- More flexibility and range, silent AF, happy with IQ
cons:- price (would only buy new) and weight.
pros of 77ltd:- Even better IQ, pixie dust, 500g lighter, can buy second hand, I like primes!
Cons:- will have to change lenses more often!

At some point I will difinately purchase the 77, I was going to go the 50-135 originally but I'm wondering if is really needed. I have not found I was lacking reach with 100wr so far, although I wouldn't want to take on clients in dimly lit no flash church settings.
I'm thinking I could start off with the 77, and if that doesn't work in the flexiblity stakes dip into my savings and get the 50-135 as well, although I am a little worried about the crashing aussie dollar pushing prices up soon.
Thoughts?
I wouldn't even need to think about that choice, it would have to be the 50-135. If you want to shoot weddings you ought to have two bodies, THEN you could take along the primes as well. Getting caught changing lenses when something memorable happens would be terrible and those things happen all the time at weddings. If an assistant is changing primes on your second body then you still have that 50-135 at the ready.

You have better nerves than I do, I can't see myself agreeing to be a first shooter at a wedding.

Please don't tell me you were thinking of shooting weddings with one body...
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Time to research quick release tripod/harness options I guess. Thank god I don't need to lug a 70-200/2.8 around!
Look no further!!!


https://peakdesign.com/store/slide


Best strap I've ever seen or used period. Seriously.

It's very comfortable, spreads out the weight very nicely. My previous straps (including a Black Rapid Cargo) became fatiguing. But I've walked around with a gripped D800 w/70-200 f2.8 VRII swinging from it with no problems for 8-10 hour days. It's incredibly comfortable, gives you all the advantages of a sling strap and a regular neck strap in one, without any drawbacks that I can see. (neck straps don't allow you to carry cross chest like a sling strap which causes more fatigue. sling straps like to bind and carry with the camera, and you loose the tripod mount screw)... which leads me to the greatest advantage of all, the mount for the strap that screws into the tripod port... is an A-S compatible tripod plate.

I got two now. Love them to bits. Has to be my favorite piece of gear including lenses and bodies.

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Please don't tell me you were thinking of shooting weddings with one body...

When I first started weddings both solo and second shooting I lived with that mantra. However, I found traveling light was more important. (situation depending)

Last summer (which was my busiest summer yet) I shot with one body and three lenses (70-200, 50 prime, 135 prime). The ability to move my body fast and not worry about gear hanging around was more important. I ran the two additional lenses on a belt back (with a flash and Rode camera mic pouch as well) and that worked for me better than a bag full of kit and two slung bodies. By the end of the day carrying two bodies (even K3/K5 DA*16-50, DA*50-135, and a trio of FA Limited lenses) was just destroying my body after an 8-14 hour day.

If I was bringing a second camera, it was an LX with FA 43 mounted using a Peak Design camera clip on my waist belt.


That being said... my Pentax kit was always in the trunk of my car not far away just in case.

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I wouldn't even need to think about that choice, it would have to be the 50-135. If you want to shoot weddings you ought to have two bodies, THEN you could take along the primes as well. Getting caught changing lenses when something memorable happens would be terrible and those things happen all the time at weddings. If an assistant is changing primes on your second body then you still have that 50-135 at the ready.

You have better nerves than I do, I can't see myself agreeing to be a first shooter at a wedding.

Please don't tell me you were thinking of shooting weddings with one body...
Lol, I obviously didn't make it clear enough that I was tossing up between a 50-135 or 77 (and the 100wr that i already have) on one body combined with my 16-50 on the other body!
I've shot 4 wedding (non paying) this year with a 17-70 + 100wr for the ceremony and the range works quite well. Now I've upgrade to the 16-50 I need to fill in the 70mm hole, hence the thread. Its a case of logically the 50-135 is the better option for flexibility, but could you get away with a lighter kit of 16-50 + 77/100. Obviously you don't have time to change lenses during critical phases, so you could only use one prime for the ceremony, which I suspect would limit my range just a bit more than I'm comfortable with.

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You need AT LEAST one WR portrait lens. Some bride will take the misty weather. For every other aspects of a wedding job, it depends on your style and what you offer. If you are a photog that delivers only 50 super artsy posed or semi posed images, you may able to shoot with primes only. If you delivers 200-300 great photos you need to be fast and flexible. 2 bodies, 17-50 and 50-135 or equivalent from Sigma or Tamron is your starting point. Then you add fast 30ish, 50ish and 85ish...
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Flexibility aside, the 50-135 is simply fantastic. It is why I still haven't upgraded from my 18-55WR to another "normal" lens. I just haven't seen any photos or read any reviews of a WR zoom that can produce images rivaling what the 50-135 produces.

Don't shoot me, because this obviously isn't from a wedding.

K-3, DA*50-135, ISO 400, F2.8, 108mm, 1/40, hand held (with grip), resized to half resolution (1995x3000):


Still, wide open aperture, crazy low shutter speed (it was -10C out too, so right at the K-3's advertised limit)... no reason to pack the 100WR if you ask me. And here is the kicker- the 50-135 performs even better around 70-90mm!

Honestly, I don't think you could go wrong with it as your first choice.
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