Originally posted by vonBaloney You could try heating up the lens a little bit if you have the means, might loosen something -- not too hot (100-120F) -- then try to loosen when it is still warm. And figure out how to maximize grippiness with your rubber things using tape, etc. Beyond that you are looking at using acetone or penetrating oil, etc
Thanks vonBaloney. Yeah, I think heat may be the way to go, when time permits that's my next option to try. I'm really hesistant to try lubricants or solvents, as I can be a heavy handed...liable to do more harm than good...but we'll see what works...
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Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave I had to disassemble my own SMC Takumar 28mm/3.5 to de-fungus it just last week, and also found the name ring very stubborn to remove. I ended up using pretty much the same technique that Wolfeye has suggested. I used a sharp spike-ended tool that came with my miniature screwdrivers and dug it into the engraved lettering to get a grip, then tapped the end. I ended up scratching the lettering slightly, but it's a lot less unsightly than leaving two holes drilled in the name ring.
Thanks Dave. I have been successful with that method in the past with other Takumars, and have tried it this time around too, but no joy. I've put a bit of force into the angled screw driver against the letter edge, but not feeling any give yet...if I keep going with this approach I'm highly likely to put a screw driver through my hand soon
I agree with you on the drilled holes, that's going to be last resort...I wish all lenses just had notches for a lens spanner.
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Originally posted by originalwinger I was thinking in the opposite direction to vonBaloney, how about a visit to the freezer, cold makes things contract and I've used my Taks outside in the winter for hours with no harm.
Hi originalwinger. I think the voting is 2:1 in the heat v. cold staked at the moment. I can see what you're thinking, but I can also see dcshooter's point...if both the lens body and the name ring contract to the same extant anything binding them may just bind further/harder. I'll try the heat when time permits and report back.
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Originally posted by dcshooter RE: heat vs cold, heat is definitely the way to go. About a minute or two under a hair dryer, then the rubber tool. The barrel and ring are both aluminum, so they will expand and contract at more or less the same rate, meaning the tiny gaps between the threads of the two components will expand and contract proportionally as the components themselves do. Any debris trapped in there will be only wedged in more tightly if the lens gets colder and shrinks.
Takumar lenses generally don't use threadlocker in their construction like a lot of other vintage lenses do, but if it has been worked on before, the tech might have applied some during reassembly. It's also worth applying a few drops of MEK or similar solvent to the thread to see if that loosens things up. I highly advise against any kind of penetrating oil unless you want to later completely disassemble the lens down to single blades, elements, etc. and clean them all one by one. There's a reason the stuff has the name it does!
The best rubber tool, in my experience, is a size 9 natural rubber bung stopper from your local homebrew store. I seem to recall there being several such stores around Perth from when I was doing my studies there. Not sure what you're using now, but the natural rubber tends to be much grippier than the vulcanized/synthetic rubbers used in drain stoppers and the like.
Hi dcshooter. Thanks for your input. Sounds like the heat option is the next option to try. Thanks for the advice on the natural rubber stopper...I can see how the synthetic plug I'm using currently wouldn't have the same grip as the natural rubber. I'll see if I can pick one up. There are still a few home brew stores around for sure
Just curious, and if you don't mind me asking, where and when did you study in Perth? My wife is an academic at Murdoch University and I use to work in a non-academic role on the UWA campus.
Also, just gotta say I love seeing the re-finishing work you've done on vintage lenses...they really are stunning and I think it's great to see these old lenses brought back to life.
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Originally posted by tim60 A few times I have mentioned a method I found helpful with very tight name rings. Put very small double sided sticky foam on a few points around the ring. Avoid touching the glass with it - obvious. Then fro 49mm filter size an M42 read cap can be used as the wrench tool. For 58mm I think the 49mm front cap works.
This method works for very tight rings - such as one I had with paper wedged in to make it tighter.
Thanks tim60. Hmmm...that sounds like well worth a shot. I had tried the rolled tape on the rear lens cap method, but found it didn't help at all, compared to the rubber plug. That double sided foam tape tends to be ate adhesive, so I can see how applying that directly to the lens ring could provide some extra traction. I'll see if I have some in the shed, or pick some up. Might try this in conjunction with the heat method? Well, I'll see how I go.
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Originally posted by pentaxk3user Thanks pentaxk3user. In the video it's actually the first step, up until about the 0:45 mark, that is this issue. When trying to access the front lens element you need to remove the name ring on the front of the lens. On the Takumar lenses there are no notches to allow use of this sort of caliper lens spanner on the name ring...generally a friction tool of some sort is required. I do have a similar, but different, lens spanner, which is great for accessing the rear lens elements, and for the internal elements...but no help in this case unfortunately. For anyone working on older lenses I would highly recommend obtaining a lens spanner, it does make life much easier for much of the work.
Cheers