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06-05-2015, 12:17 PM   #1
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DA 21 and LBA

seriously thinking of hunting down a DA 21mm or getting a 2nd body and possibly, possibly selling the DA 15
The current lenses:

15mm f4 (duplicated by the samyang 16 to some extent, but it is nice, very compact)
16mm SAMYANG f2 (got it a long time after the 15, mainly for astro/night work)
31mm f1.8 (the king, its that good, one of the main reasons I bought into the system was to one day own this)
50-135mm f2.8 (most recent acquisition, quality not too far off a prime and AW)
55mm f1.4 (using less now I have the 50-135mm, but its still a hell of a lens)
100mm f2.8 (this is also covered by the 50-135mm... but I know how sharp it is, argh - a specialist lens perhaps and rarely used)
55-300mm DA metal mount, seldom used


In contention:

DA 21 discreet/light with good IQ it seems
DA 40 same as above but it is not the FA 43
FA 43 - I've already got 31 and 55 covered.. just don't know how much I'd use it.. though it is one of the smaller lenses and magic rendering but then both 31 and 55 have good rendering qualities
2nd body... that 31 and 50-135 combo is devastating... two bodies one on each, its madness but maybe its a good madness

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DA 20-40 awesome and WR which is a plus... but I've got an FA 31
DA 200/300 look incredible... but I don't think I'd use enough and they are a lot of , it seems I rarely need above 135mm
DA 60-250 similar reasons to above and also big/heavy

06-05-2015, 12:34 PM   #2
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I have all but the 16mm of your current lens (gave my 55-300 WR to my daughter), plus the DA21, FA43 & DA20-40 from bottom lists. My recommendation is get the DA 20-40 and if you still have the LBA itch (and the money) get the FA 43.

The DA20-40 and FA 31 are different lens with different abilities that can compliment each other rather than compete.

I like the size, weight & focal length of the FA43 better than the FA31 and rendering/IQ is still very good.
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The 21 is a nice little pancake, though. It often sells used for absurdly low prices since it's kind of the odd duck. I like mine, it has great contrast and is small.
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QuoteOriginally posted by TER-OR Quote
The 21 is a nice little pancake, though. It often sells used for absurdly low prices since it's kind of the odd duck. I like mine, it has great contrast and is small.
Agreed. Look for a used one and it won't cost you too much. Makes an excellent compact combo with the 43 (or 40).

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It's strange but I rarely get any agreement for two bodies, but to me your "madness" suggestion is a sound one. Going two bodies and primes has been a revelation for the type of photography I do.
Sometimes the LBA itches a bit when I think about the 20-40, but the 21mm tends to stay on one body and I swop lenses on the other with what I expect to need, generally before I leave.
It's a relatively light combo and having the second identical body is convenient for backup and seemless in use.
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I resisted the DA21 by getting a Ricoh GR as my 2nd body. The GR is sharper than the DA21 and far more compact than any K-mount body. It's wider at 18.3mm but sharp enough to crop if needed.
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I'm a fan of the GR but the dynamic range is noticeably poorer than, say k3. Maybe the rumoured new version will be better. It is an excellent alternative to 21mm, in every other way I feel.
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I have a K24 so I'm immune to the DA21 for now I've yet to touch an FA Limited so until that happens I'll just limp along in ignorance.

Personally I feel that 20-40 plus 50-135 is an ideal combo. Sadly though, the sale price on the 16-85 makes things awkward! If it's primes you truly want though, 15-21-31-55 is nice spacing.. though 21-43-70 would be even nicer!


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QuoteOriginally posted by jimr-pdx Quote
I have a K24 so I'm immune to the DA21 for now I've yet to touch an FA Limited so until that happens I'll just limp along in ignorance.

Personally I feel that 20-40 plus 50-135 is an ideal combo. Sadly though, the sale price on the 16-85 makes things awkward! If it's primes you truly want though, 15-21-31-55 is nice spacing.. though 21-43-70 would be even nicer!
Strange. The DA21 didn't make me immune to the K24, so it must be a one-way thing

And what's wrong with 8-15-21-24-28-31-35-43-50-55-58-70-80-100-135?

I know, I know, there are gaps in there...
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I think the DA21/DA40 is a terrific combo to carry in a pocket in lieu of the 20-40 zoom. That pair is one of the last I would sell.
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The DA 21 sounds like a logical choice when I look at your list. It neatly slots between your 15/16mm and your 31mm. I wanted to want this lens (if that makes sense) but I haven't come up with a good use case for myself. Owning the DA 18-135mm took a lot of thunder away from that desire for me. Not sure why. Maybe if it was FF then I could see using it on my film bodies as well.

Maybe you could consider the DA 18-135 to get prime-like IQ at the wide end and good IQ at the tele end. This type of lens is missing from your line up.
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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
Strange. The DA21 didn't make me immune to the K24, so it must be a one-way thing

And what's wrong with 8-15-21-24-28-31-35-43-50-55-58-70-80-100-135?

I know, I know, there are gaps in there...
Yeah, I don't see a Pentacon 29mm, a Sigma 30mm, or 40/45mm pancakes in there, much less the Samyang 10/14/16! (My LBA looks forward to the upcoming Samyang 12mm fisheye, and won't be satisfied until they fill the gaps with fast 18 and 20mm lenses...)


But getting back to the DA 21, it's a great lens for a lightweight kit - it's always on my K-01 or K-S1.
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my DA* 60-250mm is one of the best lenses I have ever shot with. Paired with a Coolpix A (28mm) I have a pretty "lightweight" system given the coverage of the two bodies. When I need more coverage I drop the Coolpix A and replace it with a D800 + 24-85mm VR. With two such bodies I now have 24mm-380mm covered at a constant f/4. For me, I consider this setup "lightweight"!!! :P

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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
I think the DA21/DA40 is a terrific combo to carry in a pocket in lieu of the 20-40 zoom. That pair is one of the last I would sell.
Ya, but a 20-40 is cheaper (new) than the other two combined, about the same weight and you don't have to carry the second lens in your pocket, plus you get WR with 20-40
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First of all when we buy a lens it depends from what we like to shoot, DA21 is a very good small lens for street photography, landscapes, cityscapes, even for portraits (environment portraits).
If you like these kinds of photography then take it (find a good used one), also this lens needs a good pair of shoes, i mean it's not necessary to have a zoom all the time, just walk o lot and find your subject, if necessary get close to it, make your frame and shoot, so simple....
I have a used one which i found it in a good price and condition, i have shoot thousands photos with it with no problem, but as i said it depends of what you like to shoot.
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