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06-16-2008, 02:03 PM   #1
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Which lens will i want once i have the DA* 50-135/2.8

So....I know the 50-135 is superb, BUT i love me some wicked good primes too.
Since i may have mentioned (to the better half) that after getting the 50-135/2.8 (i already own the 16-50/2.8) i should be good with buying lenses for a while, i may want to make sure that there is no prime spoiling the whole "K20D + DA*16-50/2.8 + DA* 50-135/2.8 + Super-Tak 50/1.4 + S-M-C 135/3.5 + Tamron 90/2.5 (Adaptal-PK) + Meccablitz 48 AF-1 == end of story" party is gonna get rained on by a "if i only had that prime XYZ" incident.

Which Limited lens or Takumar should i have a really close look at, so I can rule out wanting it later? (I also have the 40/2.8 which i didn't list since i may or may not put it on the chopping block in the market place)

In short, it looks like the 50-135/2.8 can replace a whole lot of primes (based on what jsherman and others show at f/2.8, including pentax gallery).
How often do you use your limiteds since you bought the 50-135?

Thanks in advance,

Daniel

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Good glass you have, and to keep your growing collection, I suggest getting an FA 50/1.4. It will honor (if not surpass) your collection's quality and with DSLR´s it has turned into a superb portrait lens. BTW, it won't cost as much too.

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Good glass you have, and to keep your growing collection, I suggest getting an FA 50/1.4. It will honor (if not surpass) your collection's quality and with DSLR´s it has turned into a superb portrait lens. BTW, it won't cost as much too.

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the FA 50/1.4 is kind of the wild card, i could sell the 40/2.8 and get the FA 50/1.4 instead, it was fast when i bought it, but now both zooms at least equal it in speed.
Time will tell how my MF skills grow if i would want to consider adding a AF 50/1.4 to the MF 50/1.4 i have
06-16-2008, 02:45 PM   #4
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I am dreaming of the DA50-135

But that does not stop me from weighing in on your DA40 or FA 50 question...

I have both, and a manual focus S-M-C tak 50 1.4 and here are my thoughts.

The reason to get the FA 50 over the DA 40 would be the faster 1.4 for low light and DOF.... unfortunately for me the FA 50 auto focus at F1.4 is pretty hit and miss. I think I actually get more keepers at F1.4 with the MF lens.

So I would keep the DA40 for when you want a sharp, quick focus, tiny lens with great rendering. And I would use my MF 50 1.4 for the low-light / artsy DOF shots. That combo is working well for me. All I need now is your DA 50-135 and I would be set....

Oh, that is until I had to have the DA 300 hehe

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All I need now is your DA 50-135 and I would be set....

Oh, that is until I had to have the DA 300 hehe
Luckily 200mm and 300mm do not tempt me, which is why i had no issues selling a S-M-C 200/4 that now is used to post incredible shots on this site ;P
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QuoteOriginally posted by morfic Quote
So....I know the 50-135 is superb, BUT i love me some wicked good primes too.
Since i may have mentioned (to the better half) that after getting the 50-135/2.8 (i already own the 16-50/2.8) i should be good with buying lenses for a while, i may want to make sure that there is no prime spoiling the whole "K20D + DA*16-50/2.8 + DA* 50-135/2.8 + Super-Tak 50/1.4 + S-M-C 135/3.5 + Tamron 90/2.5 (Adaptal-PK) + Meccablitz 48 AF-1 == end of story" party is gonna get rained on by a "if i only had that prime XYZ" incident.

Which Limited lens or Takumar should i have a really close look at, so I can rule out wanting it later? (I also have the 40/2.8 which i didn't list since i may or may not put it on the chopping block in the market place)

In short, it looks like the 50-135/2.8 can replace a whole lot of primes (based on what jsherman and others show at f/2.8, including pentax gallery).
How often do you use your limiteds since you bought the 50-135?

Thanks in advance,

Daniel
All I can possibly see missing is a good really long tele. A really good 300mm or perhaps a really big zoom (130-500mm for example)
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the yet to be seen DA*55 f/1.4
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Lowell: I think should i ever find the need to cover 135-300, it would hopefully be outside, where plenty of sunlight would allow that to be covered by a Tamron Di LD 70-300, since DA*200 and DA*300 are prohibitively expensive. (I really couldn't justify them unless i somehow stumbled over a well paid sports or birding gig? considering i never used the S-M-C 200/4 on the 30D and didn't even test it on the K20D i think i am safe there and the Tamron would suffice, covering a whole lot of FLs)

OniFactor: yeah, i'm kind of glad there is not even a season mentioned as to when the DA* 55/1.4 is to be expected.....

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So i guess this means i should be pretty safe for a while, useful tools in the DA*s, some fun in the Takumars and Tamron 90?
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QuoteOriginally posted by morfic Quote
Luckily 200mm and 300mm do not tempt me, which is why i had no issues selling a S-M-C 200/4 that now is used to post incredible shots on this site ;P
Your a much more controlled person than I.
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The thought of getting the 50-135 has also crossed my mind. I've got the 55-300, but I don't always need to go to 300, but the f2.8 would be nice. I've thought about getting the DA70, but then for about $200 more, I could have the 50-135, which would be almost as fast at 70 as the DA70. The 50/1.4 is definitely on my to-get list; I'll take either the FA or A versions (MF doesn't scare me).

Something else to consider is that since the 50-135 is a constant 2.8, it wouldn't be a big deal to use a TC in the event that you need more length. With a 1.5x TC + the 1.5x crop factor of the camera itself, the 135 would translate to 303.75mm (f4) and with a 2x TC, the 135 would translate to 405mm (f5.6). Anyway you look at it, a TC is definitely cheaper than a DA* 200 or 300.

Has anybody tried the 50-135 with a TC?

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Your a much more controlled person than I.
Funny, you know, i never heard of LBA before joining this forum, over at the alternative gear forum on FM, people just happily buy lenses and use them, none of this self torturing "I got LBA, save me!" business, i mean, don't take out a second mortgage, but if you buy something, enjoy, none of this "LBA, done it again!" self deprecating stuff
There is always "wanting more than fits the budget", sure. But wanting isn't so bad.

I asked since i know my budget and i know my old logic.... (Sell 2 to get something new), and i no longer have the luxury of owning gear i'm willing to sell to get other gear ( I mean i went through Takumars and Zuikos and Zeisses (both east and west), i am finally settling in on useful yet awesome stuff, not too much, but not missing some toys either

And yeah, i'm glad aside that 55/1.4 there seems nothing out there that is going to spoil my small kit (I plan on fitting it all in the Adorama slinger bag that right now fits everything i mentioned above, i will likely leave the 135/3.5 at home and put the flash in the net pocket on outside, since it fits my EF-500 so well right now)
The idea of getting work done with a bag less than half the size of the Canon gadget bag i had is really entertaining, so i will fight hard to fit it all (Another reason to ask this question, there is no room for much deviation)
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The thought of getting the 50-135 has also crossed my mind. I've got the 55-300, but I don't always need to go to 300, but the f2.8 would be nice. I've thought about getting the DA70, but then for about $200 more, I could have the 50-135, which would be almost as fast at 70 as the DA70. The 50/1.4 is definitely on my to-get list; I'll take either the FA or A versions (MF doesn't scare me).

Something else to consider is that since the 50-135 is a constant 2.8, it wouldn't be a big deal to use a TC in the event that you need more length. With a 1.5x TC + the 1.5x crop factor of the camera itself, the 135 would translate to 303.75mm (f4) and with a 2x TC, the 135 would translate to 405mm (f5.6). Anyway you look at it, a TC is definitely cheaper than a DA* 200 or 300.

Has anybody tried the 50-135 with a TC?

Heather
True, as soon as there is a TC that does SDM and maybe even fixes FL for SR i'm game, that is a small (not cheap) and useful tool i should keep my eye on.....
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In case anyone wonders:

I got the K20D with the intend to use the 18-55 II for WA, stopped down, and after the 40/2.8 later add the 21/3.2 and 70/2.4. But that day i used the 18-55 II, i realized i do like the convenience of a zoom downtown (And thus anytime).
So the 16-50/2.8 made sense since i had a 2.8 zoom on the 30D before (just always missing the 18-24 range), after a while of amost convincing myself the 16-50/2.8 is a bad one i came around and now, the more i use it, the better it seems to get, like it had to be broken in
the 16-50/2.8 now of course covers both the 21/3.2 and 40/2.8, and at 2.8 and smaller, it covers the 50/1.4, the 50-135/2.8 would also cover the 50/1.4 at 2.8 or smaller, it covers the 90/2.5 (while not getting as close i guess) and covers the 135/3.5 and the 70/2.4 i thought i wanted. (And it seems it does render beautifully for anything i like to and will be shooting)
So with a little bit of sense, i ruled out about every other lens Pentax makes or made, (the faster limiteds, 31, 43, 77, are luckily too pricey to even start with a purchasing plan, i don't need another macro and all the lovely ZK MF Goodness is well beyond reason in $$$)

I just didn't want to be blind sided by one i had not considered

Like someone here said, after next week i should be "happy like a fly on poop", a state i haven't been in since i bought the 30D (man did i love my EOS3), took me too long to pinpoint i disliked the body, not the lenses on it.
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Lately, I'm beginning to wonder if I've gotten into the prime thing too much. Zooms are so much more convenient, although the exception I will make will be the 50/1.4 since it's so cheap and so fast. With that, I'd have 3 primes--the DA35 macro, a 50/1.4, and the A100/4 macro. These all are used for specific things, other than just general shooting; that's what the zooms are for.

All I need to add to complete my zoom kit is the Sigma 10-20. Any changes that I might make would come at a later date, as I'd like to get to a point where I'd like to spend more of my money on things like photo workshops and classes that would actually help me improve my skills with what I have. Now if someone came out with a 17-70/2.8, then I might have to reconsider...

Who do I have to give credit to for encouraging me to reconsider my lens roadmap? Dear old Dad, the Canon user, himself. Over the last several days, we've had a couple of conversations, mainly based around helping him develop a lens roadmap for his Canon XSi, as well as photo workshops we'd like to go to and on at least one occasion, Dad questioned why I need so many lenses. I got to thinking about it and I think he's actually right.

I guess my LBA recovery process is going better than I had expected.

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