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09-18-2015, 11:08 AM   #61
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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
I think that Pentax really needs to produce a DA lens that has a field of view equivalent to that of a 35mm on full frame.

I've bought the DA 21mm with the K10d but sold both because the lens was too wide, then a K-5II with another DA 21mm and sold both again; and now, after using a 7d with the 24mm pancake and then an E-M5 with a 20mm pancake I have bought yet another DA 21mm with a K-5IIs...
I keep coming back because I like the bodies but the DA 21mm is just too wide (and not particularly good).

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Have you tried the FA* 24? I keep hearing great comments but I have never held one.

09-18-2015, 01:21 PM   #62
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It's just too big and heavy... I wan't something portable and inconspicuous, and I don't need AF.
I'll try to snatch a Contax from ebay.

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09-18-2015, 01:33 PM   #63
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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
It's just too big and heavy... I wan't something portable and inconspicuous, and I don't need AF.
I'll try to snatch a Contax from ebay.

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I'm not sure if this helps but there is a 24mm f/2.8 Pentax A series on sale on Ebay from KEH right now:
Pentax 24mm F 2 8 SMC A K Mount Manual Focus Lens | eBay
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Thanks, and apologies to the original poster for the off topic...

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The Sigma AF 28mm 2.8 might be worth a try... but it's a bit rare nowadays.
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IMO any street photography question in this subforum is going to become a WA or UWA lens free for all sooner or later.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
IMO any street photography question in this subforum is going to become a WA or UWA lens free for all sooner or later.
Not necessarily - the DA70 is also pretty good for street photos. Basically you need a small and inconspicuous lens.










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QuoteOriginally posted by kh1234567890 Quote
Not necessarily - the DA70 is also pretty good for street photos. Basically you need a small and inconspicuous lens.
Do you keep the hood on or remove it for the size delta?
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
Do you keep the hood on or remove it for the size delta?
Even with the hood on the DA70 is tiny. I keep the hood screwed on but only extend it when actually needed. Big lenses seem to spook people - you get noticed. The DA16-45 is particularly bad for street photos as it extends on the wide end of the zoom.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
I keep coming back because I like the bodies but the DA 21mm is just too wide (and not particularly good).
A small crop doesn't fix it for you?
09-21-2015, 02:43 AM   #71
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QuoteOriginally posted by mtux Quote
A small crop doesn't fix it for you?
I almost never ever crop; I get most of my pleasure in photography from framing and composition.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
IMO any street photography question in this subforum is going to become a WA or UWA lens free for all sooner or later.
QuoteOriginally posted by kh1234567890 Quote
Not necessarily - the DA70 is also pretty good for street photos. Basically you need a small and inconspicuous lens.
I don't agree.

And as I've mentioned earlier, you'll find that most people (from Cartier-Breton to Koudelka to Palha to Buscató) doing street photography tend to have a preference for either 28mm, 35mm or something between 40-to-50mm.
On an APS-C body this means 18mm, 24mm or 28-to-35mm.

I would use the 50mm or the 70mm for portraits (street or other) but not for street photography as they "compress" perspective (reduce the relative distance between objects in different lpanes) and tend not to include much of the street in the frame...
It's a good starting point if you are not comfortable with shooting people close but not adequate for "good" pictures.

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QuoteOriginally posted by kh1234567890 Quote
Not necessarily - the DA70 is also pretty good for street photos. Basically you need a small and inconspicuous lens.
Duly noted, and I'm sure that in the correct circumstances a longer focal length can perform quite well (possibly better than the UWA). But from what I've seen and read, street photography and wider angles are to a certain degree synonymous, hence what I said.

However, the part about smallness and inconspicuousness, regardless of focal length, is very well made. It's one reason why I don't want the limited primes getting any bigger.

QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
It's a good starting point if you are not comfortable with shooting people close but not adequate for "good" pictures.
That's an absolute I don't think I'd feel comfortable stating, not to mention that to some people it may even come across as mildly insulting. What the greats of the past have done and what some future great may do are not necessarily (and probably should not be) the same thing. This point is well made by Isaac Asimov in his novel Foundation; the decline of his Galactic Empire is marked in part by too much reverence for the past and too little attention to progress and innovation.
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It's is nonetheless my honest opinion.

For the reasons I have stated: short-teles "compress" perspective ("steal" depth) and isolate the subject and place observer out of the scene, while ultra-wides distort too much both geometrically and also the perspective (relative distance between objects in different planes).

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---------- Post added 21-09-15 at 12:30 ----------

P.S.: I'm sure that some will disagree but I also believe that one should use a narrow aperture / wide depth of field on street photography.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
short-teles "compress" perspective ("steal" depth) and isolate the subject and place observer out of the scene
In that case it's a matter of taste, and by all means YMMV; but then you need to take care to state it as your opinion ("I feel that...") and not as if it's an absolute truth.
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Everyone who participates on a webforum will always be expressing an opinion (often his own) and it always puzzles me whenever someone feels threatened or offended.

But I always try to support my views; in this case both by elaborating on technical an aesthetic/artistic/conceptual reasons and by providing a handfull (of a million possible) examples (photographers).

In fact I don't know of a single street photographer who uses a short-tele for most of his work.
It would be interesting if you could give an example.

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