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10-12-2015, 08:23 AM   #1
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Pentax 77mm vs. 60-250 f4

I'm thinking about selling my 77mm f1.8 Limited lens for the Pentax DA* 60-250mm f4. The reason is I find it hard finding subjects that fall in the 77mm range which on a cropped camera is actually 115mm. For head and shoulder portraits its OK, but I rarely shoot portraits anymore. I think that the 60-250 would give me more flexibility although its only an f4. Would I be missing something if I decide to sell ?

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If you don't mind a much larger, heavier lens, then yeah obviously a zoom will be more flexible and the images i've seen from it look great. I personally found the 50-135 preferable as my tele zoom, but for now am sticking with the 77. As we always say, "you need both".
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I have the 70 Ltd, 50-135 and 60-250 and still can't decide.

The 77 is much, much lighter and smaller than the 60-250. But if you can live with the increased weight and f/4, the 60-250 is a very good lens along the entire zoom range (if you get a good copy).
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I have a 77mm and I can say that sucker is growing on me quickly.

When you say 'find subjects that fall into the 77mm range' I do not understand what you mean.

I might have to back up some. I might have to shoot vertically but the shots are there.

With the zoom you might be able to plant your feet and zoom in, shoot at birds or pets, but I don't know what you mean by 'subject that fall into the 77mm range'...

Do you shoot with any other primes?

Honest question/comment/request... explain a little bit more your comment that I am asking about.

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I recently acquired (not yet arrived!) an FA77. I own the DA 70, DA* 50-135, DA* 60-250. I don't know that these fill even slightly the same role. The DA* 60-250 is much heavier - like you didn't already know that - and it is a bit unwieldy due to the extreme growth it undergoes when zooming; however the 60-250 is a very sharp nice zoom lens for the range. Be aware it does suffer from pretty severe focus breathing making the 250mm end look a lot smaller than that compared to say the 200mm prime. Once you are out past about 10 meters the focal length is as expected for the most part.

The DA* 60-250 is not fast enough for portrait work for the most part. OOF blur is not developed enough for the subject isolation most shots would need but it can be done with a background far enough away. The DA* 50-135 is a better choice (in my opinion) as a potential replacement for the FA77 - it is not as large, doesn't change size, doesn't weigh as much, has a faster maximum f/stop, and is a pretty good analog of the 70-200 f/2.8 ubiquitous on full frame cameras. It's a little slow to focus and has a hood that is almost ridiculous in proportion to the lens, but the images it makes are pretty special.

SO If I had to choose between the FA77 and another (currently available) lens it would be either the DA 70, or the DA* 50-135. That is based purely on my experience using the DA 70 and the DA* 50-135 mind you. The FA77 is due to arrive soon but I haven't used it yet. I might just tell you soon that it has no comparable replacement...

BTW I had a similar problem with my A* 85 f/1.4 - I felt like it was so specialized it sat and pined for camera use. Then I used it for a month and found it was more versatile - my eyes just needed to rethink the scenes. I suggest a month of at least 1 photo a day with the 77 before you do anything. In the end I sold my A* 85 - the fact is the manual focus was too much for my eyes. The 77 is my attempt at a replacement that will work well on my K3.
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"Do you shoot with any other primes?"


Yes I love my 31mm and my 50mm Takumar but when I put on the 77mm, I'm either too close to fit the subject in the frame or too far...
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
I used it for a month and found it was more versatile - my eyes just needed to rethink the scenes

^^^ This!!! I agree with that 100%.

I think it's a matter of getting used to it and training your eye.

Given no lens is a do all perfect lens. The 77 is good if you want to isolate your subject but more than anything it excels at sharpness.

That said it does depend largely on your shooting environment and what your intended subjects really are. If you are into taking pictures of people at all and not always just formal portraits, then the 77mm is a keeper. I've only had the lens for a short time, but I think it falls back to the subject matter to be captured and the style of the photographer.
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When sharpness wall to wall is prime; my 77 is the only lens I use. As long as I can walk, bend and climb (which is getting harder) I'll use my 77 over all my other lenses.
Landscape, portraits(humane, flora & fauna)and even copying.
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QuoteOriginally posted by honey bo bo Quote
According to many including myself THE BEST LENS PENTAX EVER MADE
The A* 85 f/1.4 was sharp sharp sharp - unlike the FA* 85 which tends towards soft at short distances to make it more portrait friendly. That lens will be hard to top. However AF is a joy for my eyes so in overall scheme I expect to like it.
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This is the classic primes versus zoom debate which has been going on for decades now. I currently have the FA 77mm, and had the DA 60-250mm.
I consider the sharpness difference negligible between both of these lenses.
The zoom cannot become a f1.7 lens and the prime cannot become a 60mm nor a 250mm lens.
The prime fits easily in my pocket. The zoom requires some planning when going out.
If you do not use the 77mm any more, by all means sell it.
But, what would you be using the 60-250mm for?
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QuoteOriginally posted by hjoseph7 Quote
"Do you shoot with any other primes?"


Yes I love my 31mm and my 50mm Takumar but when I put on the 77mm, I'm either too close to fit the subject in the frame or too far...
I know what you mean. I feel the same with my 70mm. Although, as others have said, that is a matter of "adjusting" oneself - shooting it exclusively for a while will most probably fix that.

As for a zoom to replace the 77 I agree that the 50-135 would be a more logical (and practical) choice than the 60-250.
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By the way, if you expect fast autofocus on the 60-250 you may be disappointed. The 55-300 focuses faster. This is probably the biggest downside to the 60-250.
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Like others have said - it's a question of distance and framing (and personal preference). Below are a sample of pictures of my daughter at different
distances (and ages) for different types of portraits all with the FA77. I can't imagine ever parting with mine.

(On the other hand I am craving a longer lens than my current longest F 135, and the 60-250 is under consideration )






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QuoteOriginally posted by hjoseph7 Quote
Would I be missing something if I decide to sell ?
Over two stops of light sucking, shallow DoF goodness.
A lot of space in your bag.
The tactile joy that is using limited primes.
Pixie dust.

Do what Uncle Vanya suggested. Use it every day for a month, for everything, then decide if the focal length isn't useful.

By all means get the DA*60-250 though; it will compliment, but in no way replace, the FA77.
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
The DA* 60-250 is not fast enough for portrait work for the most part.
I beg to differ. It really depends on the scene, of course, but it can be a great people lens.





QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
But, what would you be using the 60-250mm for?
That's the main question that needs to be answered.
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