My first Limited ...

Arjay Bee · 11-19-2015, 09:06 PM

DA 21HD Silver new - makes my K3 into a street camera carry every where.
DA 70 SMC Used (thanks Nick) for times when 21 isn't close enough and allows me to do portraits with a bit more working distance - only had it for a short time so still learning. Not sure I need anything more in the small limited line.

For in betweens I have a number of other choices depending on anticipated context or subject matter.

Last edited by Arjay Bee; 11-19-2015 at 11:31 PM.

**beachgardener** · 11-19-2015, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by jeffryscott

Is it wrong that I'm already planning on the next lens?

No not at all, go for it

Quote:

DA 21HD Silver new - makes my K30 into a street camera carry every where.

Also I have been thinking along these lines, for obtaining a 21.

Arjay Bee · 11-19-2015, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by beachgardener

Also I have been thinking along these lines, for obtaining a 21.

Umm typo earlier K3 not K30 oops. Yup the strap is really annoying though so I have a Gordys strap coming - using a lighter weight "Thefoto" one at the moment.

The quick focus the small size and the unobtrusiveness of the package are great...

**beachgardener** · 11-20-2015, 12:03 AM

I'm thinking of getting a Wapiti Straps - Handcrafted camera strap for the Photojournalist for my K-5

DanGleabols · 11-20-2015, 02:11 AM

My first was a used 35 Macro that I got for a good price. I only got it a couple of weeks a go and I'm already feeling the addiction!!

It's also technically my first prime with this FOV, and I finally get the whole "normal" thing.

My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it!

pathdoc · 11-20-2015, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by DanGleabols

I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77.

If I were going to buy one of the two and IF money were no object, I would buy the 77 over the 70, because the official forum test found very little to choose between them and it'd be compatible with ALL my K-mount bodies, film and digital, into the foreseeable future. However, I appreciate that for many, this state of affairs isn't the case. When money considerations rule, it's bang-for-the-buck. At least the full-frame will have crop mode.

**UncleVanya** · 11-20-2015, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by DanGleabols

My first was a used 35 Macro that I got for a good price. I only got it a couple of weeks a go and I'm already feeling the addiction!!

It's also technically my first prime with this FOV, and I finally get the whole "normal" thing.

My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it!

I own both... I like both. The hd 70 is very special don't underestimate it.

pathdoc · 11-20-2015, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

The hd 70 is very special don't underestimate it.

I don't think he's underestimating it, but I think his wallet is shivering in fear if he tries to get both!

Nicolas06 · 11-20-2015, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by DanGleabols

My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it!

The FA77 and DA70 are indeed quite different. The FA77 has better bokeh, warmer colors and make the subject pop more on top on having a wider apperture (1 stop wider). The biggest issue is the purple fringing at large apperture in difficult conditions and lack of quick shift.

The other has more flare resistance is optimized for digital and offer a more "clinical" rendering that is to me much more common theses days. The biggest issue is that the max apperture make it not so different "spec wise" from an f/2.8 zoom like 50-135, 70-200 or 24-70.

To me you can make the FA77 do everything the DA70 does, but the contrary is not true. Mostly for the larger apperture and a bit for the pop/pixie dust. If you take the DA70 while the lens is great you'll wonder whatif I had taken the 77. While if you have the FA77 you'll never look back.

The key reason for going the DA70 route to me is to keep a budget and that's perfectly valid one.

pathdoc · 11-20-2015, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

purple frigging

That's "fringing".

"Frigging" is a euphemism for things we generally don't do in public, but which might result in new generations of photographers if the timing is right or the prophylactics fail.

As for what purple frigging is, I really don't want to know!

bertwert · 11-20-2015, 10:33 AM

That frigging fringing!

Nicolas06 · 11-20-2015, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

That's "fringing".

"Frigging" is a euphemism for things we generally don't do in public, but which might result in new generations of photographers if the timing is right or the prophylactics fail.

As for what purple frigging is, I really don't want to know!

Sorry and thanks

Brucie · 11-20-2015, 12:43 PM - **2 Likes**

There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens. It's an outstanding lens and if it leaves you wanting something more, ain't nothing gonna make you happy. Buy it and never look back.

pathdoc · 11-20-2015, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Brucie

There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens.

The 35 Limited on the other hand... well, that's the reason I bought it (literally, clinical macrophotography). And like its not-officially-limited 100mm big brother, it does a damn fine job of it.

**BigMackCam** · 11-20-2015, 01:21 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Brucie

There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens. It's an outstanding lens and if it leaves you wanting something more, ain't nothing gonna make you happy. Buy it and never look back.

I couldn't agree more

11-20-2015, 10:30 AM	#69
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by DanGleabols My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it! The FA77 and DA70 are indeed quite different. The FA77 has better bokeh, warmer colors and make the subject pop more on top on having a wider apperture (1 stop wider). The biggest issue is the purple fringing at large apperture in difficult conditions and lack of quick shift. The other has more flare resistance is optimized for digital and offer a more "clinical" rendering that is to me much more common theses days. The biggest issue is that the max apperture make it not so different "spec wise" from an f/2.8 zoom like 50-135, 70-200 or 24-70. To me you can make the FA77 do everything the DA70 does, but the contrary is not true. Mostly for the larger apperture and a bit for the pop/pixie dust. If you take the DA70 while the lens is great you'll wonder whatif I had taken the 77. While if you have the FA77 you'll never look back. The key reason for going the DA70 route to me is to keep a budget and that's perfectly valid one. Last edited by Nicolas06; 11-20-2015 at 12:15 PM.

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11-19-2015, 09:06 PM	#61
Arjay Bee Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Horn Island, Torres Straits, Q Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,715	DA 21HD Silver new - makes my K3 into a street camera carry every where. DA 70 SMC Used (thanks Nick) for times when 21 isn't close enough and allows me to do portraits with a bit more working distance - only had it for a short time so still learning. Not sure I need anything more in the small limited line. For in betweens I have a number of other choices depending on anticipated context or subject matter. Last edited by Arjay Bee; 11-19-2015 at 11:31 PM.

11-19-2015, 11:02 PM	#62
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by jeffryscott Is it wrong that I'm already planning on the next lens? No not at all, go for it Quote: DA 21HD Silver new - makes my K30 into a street camera carry every where. Also I have been thinking along these lines, for obtaining a 21.

11-19-2015, 11:40 PM	#63
Arjay Bee Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Horn Island, Torres Straits, Q Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,715	Originally posted by beachgardener Also I have been thinking along these lines, for obtaining a 21. Umm typo earlier K3 not K30 oops. Yup the strap is really annoying though so I have a Gordys strap coming - using a lighter weight "Thefoto" one at the moment. The quick focus the small size and the unobtrusiveness of the package are great...

11-20-2015, 12:03 AM	#64
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	I'm thinking of getting a Wapiti Straps - Handcrafted camera strap for the Photojournalist for my K-5

11-20-2015, 02:11 AM	#65
DanGleabols Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Halifax, UK Posts: 120	My first was a used 35 Macro that I got for a good price. I only got it a couple of weeks a go and I'm already feeling the addiction!! It's also technically my first prime with this FOV, and I finally get the whole "normal" thing. My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it!

11-20-2015, 05:11 AM	#66
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by DanGleabols I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. If I were going to buy one of the two and IF money were no object, I would buy the 77 over the 70, because the official forum test found very little to choose between them and it'd be compatible with ALL my K-mount bodies, film and digital, into the foreseeable future. However, I appreciate that for many, this state of affairs isn't the case. When money considerations rule, it's bang-for-the-buck. At least the full-frame will have crop mode.

11-20-2015, 07:50 AM	#67
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,398	Originally posted by DanGleabols My first was a used 35 Macro that I got for a good price. I only got it a couple of weeks a go and I'm already feeling the addiction!! It's also technically my first prime with this FOV, and I finally get the whole "normal" thing. My finger is hovering over the buy button for a good priced 70mm HD, I really want a portrait lens. I will admit I have the usual Da70 mm vs Fa 77 decision going on in my head. Realistically, I think even a used 77mm is stretching my budget a bit far. I also suspect buying the 70mm, a couple of extra strobes and some reflectors, and still saving money would be better for my photography than just the 77. But I'm just constantly blown away by the portraits I see taken with the 77.... but that might be more down to the quality of the photographers using it! I own both... I like both. The hd 70 is very special don't underestimate it.

11-20-2015, 10:18 AM	#68
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by UncleVanya The hd 70 is very special don't underestimate it. I don't think he's underestimating it, but I think his wallet is shivering in fear if he tries to get both!

11-20-2015, 10:32 AM	#70
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Nicolas06 purple frigging That's "fringing". "Frigging" is a euphemism for things we generally don't do in public, but which might result in new generations of photographers if the timing is right or the prophylactics fail. As for what purple frigging is, I really don't want to know!

11-20-2015, 10:33 AM	#71
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	That frigging fringing!

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11-20-2015, 12:14 PM	#72
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by pathdoc That's "fringing". "Frigging" is a euphemism for things we generally don't do in public, but which might result in new generations of photographers if the timing is right or the prophylactics fail. As for what purple frigging is, I really don't want to know! Sorry and thanks

11-20-2015, 12:43 PM - 2 Likes	#73
Brucie Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Great Plains Posts: 64	There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens. It's an outstanding lens and if it leaves you wanting something more, ain't nothing gonna make you happy. Buy it and never look back.

11-20-2015, 01:04 PM	#74
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Brucie There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens. The 35 Limited on the other hand... well, that's the reason I bought it (literally, clinical macrophotography). And like its not-officially-limited 100mm big brother, it does a damn fine job of it.

11-20-2015, 01:21 PM - 1 Like	#75
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,661	Originally posted by Brucie There's nothing "clinical" about the 70mm Limited lens. It's an outstanding lens and if it leaves you wanting something more, ain't nothing gonna make you happy. Buy it and never look back. I couldn't agree more