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12-23-2015, 03:42 AM   #16
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I do own the Sigma 3.5-5.6/24-70mm UC. To get acceptable iQ you have to use it as a 5.6-11 lens.
The bigger non UC(=ultra compact) is said to be slightly better.
But both versions would not add to the reputation of Pentax as a respectable lens maker.

In the film era, Pentax made just one really good standard zoom with at least 3x range:
This was the SMC Pentax-A 3.5-4.5/28-80mm, and there was no AF version of this design.

All the AF followers were budget designs with much worse IQ.

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IMO it won't be constant f/4 on such a big 24-120 range with IQ comparable to the 24-70.

F/3,5-4,5 or along those lines look more likely or we'll get a kit lens about 1000 US$.

You get what you pay for.
The Nikon is 900-1200 euros VAT included. A bit heavy for a first kit lens IMO.
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Pro cameras don't come with "kit" lenses...
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Yes they do but "kit" doesn't mean the same as in a K50 kit, that's all.
IMO a 24-70 or 85/4 would be a better idea, better performing and less expensive.

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The K-1 will come with a $50 eBay gift card, good toward the purchase of any Vivitar, Rikenon, or Chinon standard zoom of your choice.
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Here's the Canon equivalent, costing around USD 600:

Canon EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 STM IS - Review / Test Report

Pentax could even do better, since they don't need image stabilization in the lens.
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Or they put a free new 50mm/f2.0 lens on it.
12-23-2015, 08:28 AM   #23
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I don't think it's far fetched to wish for a 24-105 or 120 constant f/4 zoom. A non-constant aperture doesn't interest me though.

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Neither news nor rumor.
Moved to proper forum.
12-23-2015, 08:52 AM   #25
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QuoteOriginally posted by skierd Quote
I'm hoping for a 24-120 constant aperture lens with DC and WR that's comparable in IQ to the new 24-70 and 70-200...
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What I do wish Pentax did was offer a few more constant aperture lenses that are not f4 and perhaps throw a * on it.. that would be nice!

Oh and they also have to be small.. like Pentax small... a little bit disappointed that the new 24-70mm is gigantic and is following the pricing scheme of other brands...

What I don't want is the usual or something we've already seen from outside of Pentax world.. give us something different!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ron_Man Quote
Pro cameras don't come with "kit" lenses...
Unless, of course, they do. The notion of a kit lens = cheap zoom is a limited definition. Traditionally, the term "kit" refers to a lens bundled with camera at a discount and at the upper end of the SLR price scale that lens was usually a very high quality 50mm prime*. The cheap zoom as "kit" is a relatively recent phenomenon traceable initially to the plastic AF bodies of the 1990s and definitively with the emergence of consumer-grade dSLRs.

As for "pro" bodies...yes, the flagship FF dSLR models from Nikon and Canon are only available "body only". OTOH, the undeniably "pro" medium format bodies from Pentax, Hasselblad, Leica (S), Mamiya, and Mamiya/Leaf are offered as lens/camera bundles. Broadening to include FF rangefinder, both Leica M (type240) and M-E models include "kit" offerings. May we also include the A7 series Sony models as "pro" along with the Nikon Df and D810 and Canon 5D? All on that last list are available as bundled kit.


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* I have a few dozen film bodies on my shelf, each of which came with a "kit" lens that is of very high quality and none of which added more than $20-$40 to the price of the body when new. Yes, the available "kit" lenses were relatively inexpensive, but they were widely acknowledged to have been included at a loss to encourage body sales.
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the available "kit" lenses were relatively inexpensive, but they were widely acknowledged to have been included at a loss to encourage body sales.
When I bought my K-x, the kit that included the lens was actually cheaper than the body alone!
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When I bought my K-x, the kit that included the lens was actually cheaper than the body alone!
I don't recall the K-x being officially sold body only. If you saw it body only it had been purchased with the 55-300 then broken up by the seller...

I purchased my DA L 55-300 from one of the Brooklyn bandits who had done just that.
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Here are the Canon/Nikon/Sigma equivalents:
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens 0344B002 B&H Photo Video
Nikon 24-120mm f/4G ED VR AF-S NIKKOR Lens 2193 B&H Photo
Sigma 24-105mm f/4 DG OS HSM Art Lens for Nikon 635-306 B&H
As Steve already noted the notion of a "kit" lens is a recent thing and there is no reason Pentax HAS to offer a "kit" lens or if they do there is no reason it HAS to be a cheap consumer one. If they are indeed pushing the FF to a professional audience then perhaps the 24-105 will be DFA*24-105 f/4 HD WR.
The competition is around $1,000 +/- for their pro 24-105ish so it is reasonable to expect Pentax to price it accordingly (if it is constant f/4). If they make it a variable aperture zoom then of course the price will be lower.
Personally I have no real need of a big heavy 24-70 f/2.8 but I would buy a nice 24-105 f/4. I know a number of very good landscape shooters who use only the Canon 24-105L.

I have been very puzzled by the 24-70 f/2.8 being a re-badged Tamron and not getting a * designation. I wonder if they are going to surprise us with a *24-105?
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