[jatrax]

I was referring to something in the L glass, sigma art, and nikkor with a constant aperture range.

OK, that would definitely not deserve the "kit lens" stigma.

But it might deserve the label "standard lens" as in the lens bundled with the camera. Then if you want the 24-70 f/2.8 that is an upgrade. I think another wonderful bundle would be a K-1 plus 31, 43, 77 Limiteds. Maybe in a custom box or camera bag.

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I tend to think that existence of a non-star 24-70 f2.8 "flagship" zoom renders a DFA* 24-105 less likely. Having a star f4 standard zoom would inevitably cause confusion. People would wonder why the only standard zoom Pentax thought worthy of a star was the slower f4 zoom, rather than, as is usually the case, the f2.8 standard.

You might be right, I just find it weird that the 70-200 gets a * but the 24-70 does not. I know why THIS 24-70 doesn't get it but I don't understand why there was not a DFA*24-70. So I can speculate that they reserved the * for a 24-105 that they designed themselves. With the possibility that they will add a fast *24-70ish f/2.8 zoom at some point in the future. But I'm just speculating on things that confuse me.

Personally I would much rather have a 20-35 f/4, 24-105 f/4 and 60-250 f/4 than the f/2.8 equivalents. I don't need the f/2.8 and really don't need the weight. If I need a fast aperture I have small primes for that. But having the 15-30, 24-70, 70-200 f/2.8 in the line is absolutely needed for the FF system. I just hope they also add smaller slower but still pro quality glass to the line.

[Imp]

I think another wonderful bundle would be a K-1 plus 31, 43, 77 Limiteds. Maybe in a custom box or camera bag.

Even better if they're new Fa limiteds, with HD and AW, maybe DC, and quickshift

[jatrax]

Even better if they're new Fa limiteds, with HD and AW, maybe DC, and quickshift

Agree, actually I assumed that. If rumors are to be believed production of the FA Limiteds finished some time ago and existing stock was reported to be all at distribution or retail. So any 'new' Limiteds would almost certainly be at the least refreshed with new coatings. Even better if they have HD WR and QS. DC? I'm on the fence. For tiny primes screwdrive is quite fast and not that noisy, and definitely more reliable over the long term.

[mee]

The Standard Zoom sure looks like a 28-105 on the road map....

That is what I see too. It doesn't appear to be a 24-105. The bar clearly ends at 28mm.

I'm thinking this will be a cheap kit zoom and they'll not want it to compete too well with their 24-70 f/2.8 (to inhibit sales of it).

[kooks]

That is what I see too. It doesn't appear to be a 24-105. The bar clearly ends at 28mm.

I'm thinking this will be a cheap kit zoom and they'll not want it to compete too well with their 24-70 f/2.8 (to inhibit sales of it).

+1.. agree with this.. Maybe an f4-f5.6 .. The other D-Fa that is looks like is coming soon is the 15-30.. that could be some kind of Tamron lens

[monochrome]

My KX was bundled with a K50/1.4 in 1977. I don't recall if they were boxed together. My MESuper was boxed with an M50/1.4 and an AF200T flash and ER case in bundle factory packaging in 1984. A co-worker commented, "OH! You got a fast 50." Clearly it was marketed as a premium kit.

[Imp]

I would prefer a 24-105 f/4 on a FF than a 24-70. The way I see it, f/4 on FF yields the same DOF as f/2.8 on aps-c, and I'm sure the FF will have at least a stop better of lowlight performance... so a 24-105 f/4 on FF is sort of like getting a 17-70 f/2.8 on aps-c. Key word - "Sort of". I would just find the 24-70 range too restrictive.

Although one could say why bother to get the FF then if you're not really taking advantage of the lowlight and DOF opportunities?