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02-13-2016, 09:19 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
YES. The definition of a classic film-era lens design, intentionally for the taste of viewers at the time on prints, versus the more modern edge-to-edge sharpness style, which suits modern taste for viewing on sharp, wide monitors.

Interesting how we nevertheless gravitate to the classic rendering for portraits.
Yes the K85/1.8 is also like that. Will be interesting to see if the opinion of the FA77/1.8 changes when people start to use it on FF.

Personally I like the K85/1.8 better on film than the FA77/1.8.

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QuoteOriginally posted by gofour3 Quote
Yes the K85/1.8 is also like that. Will be interesting to see if the opinion of the FA77/1.8 changes when people start to use it on FF.

Personally I like the K85/1.8 better on film than the FA77/1.8.

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Hopefully I'll have an opinion some time this year.*

And some comparison shots.




* As I've written, I've spent my FF budget buying old lenses others are selling to buy the FF. or ?

Answer: As rawr wrote, "Cameras are just accessories for lenses."
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This is simple...... say a good looking girl walks past..... then you have a few beers..... and the good looking girl walks past again..... this time though..... you stare more and go wow (quietly to oneself of course, as we are sophisticated Pentaxians) ....... thats the FA limited type effect.
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Ohhh I see so to get the effect of the FA 77 you have to have a few beers first. lol
No, I think noelpolar's saying that the lens elements of the 77 Ltd. are made of beer bottles, and that this is key to its beautiful rendering.

Right?
02-13-2016, 11:39 AM   #34
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02-14-2016, 10:14 AM   #35
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Liked it and sold it after a couple months. Hoping for a replacement with the advent of Pentax fullframe.
AF is loud and slow, CAs are quite prominent wide open. Sharpness is quite OK and the size and the make of this lens are great. 31, 43, 77 need an overhaul to be ready for fullframe. On APS-C they are overengineered glass.
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I recall a quote by Jun Hirakawa where he mentions the FA 77 Ltd (and 43?) were designed with intentional under-correction of lens astigmatism. This is what gives it the unique rendering.
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In the interest of helping Alamo meet his goal, I'll chime in:

Try it, you'll like it ... but you won't need the Alka Selzer after.


More seriously - whatever the technical reasons are, the rendering is (to my eye) sublime.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote

Own them and you might understand
Naw, you don't have to own them to understand. It wouldn't even help some folks understand. They will just complain about the price and sell it.


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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
31, 43, 77 need an overhaul to be ready for fullframe. On APS-C they are overengineered glass.
If they are over-engineered glass on APS-C which is 1.5X smaller than FX then they should be fine on FX format. I own a LTM FA43 which I use on my full frame Leica cameras, and it is an excellent lens.



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This Image Shows How Camera Lenses Beautify or Uglify Your Pretty Face

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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I recall a quote by Jun Hirakawa where he mentions the FA 77 Ltd (and 43?) were designed with intentional under-correction of lens astigmatism. This is what gives it the unique rendering.
I wish I understood what that meant.. All I see is that it's sharp like hell but has some ugly fringing in certain light conditions when wide open.
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The best Pentax lens I ever owned. That simple...
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Put it this way, if you want a 50mm lens on apsc to compete with the 77 limited on FF then you will need a really really big wallet to pay for one of these.
zeiss 55mm f1.4 otus lens.
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Put it this way, if you want a 50mm lens on apsc to compete with the 77 limited on FF then you will need a really really big wallet to pay for one of these.
The FA77 is no competition for the Carl Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 Otus, for starters the Otus is practically apochromatic, the FA77 is achromatic.The entire design for the FA77 is intentionally under-corrected, the Otus is massively over corrected.

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QuoteOriginally posted by robjmitchell Quote
Put it this way, if you want a 50mm lens on apsc to compete with the 77 limited on FF then you will need a really really big wallet to pay for one of these.
zeiss 55mm f1.4 otus lens.
The DA*55 would be more like it.
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