NEWSFLASH! Pentax Doesn't Make Lenses O.O

**clackers** · 06-06-2016, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by mee

Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them.. so get a Mac if you want to use that microphone (novice musician/customer came in wanting to buy a basic microphone to connect to her PC --- the gist of what I heard while in line in a guitar center a few years ago).

If they hear someone badly picking the intro to 'Stairway to Heaven' in their shop, a salesman is morally obligated to upsell them big time.

mikeSF · 06-06-2016, 09:58 PM - **1 Like**

Man, you car freaks need to get a room...

**RobA_Oz** · 06-07-2016, 02:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mikeSF

Man, you car freaks need to get a room...

Right. One with four wheels?

**Digitalis** · 06-07-2016, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by mee

Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them

In my workplace there is a pretty even number of Mac Vs PC users. Personally I'm a PC user, but that is because I have a personal preference for the type and make of hardware I use. I build my own Pc's I carefully select the hardware I use, and I have several brands that I have remained loyal to. Switching to Mac would probably be OK for me,their hardware is pretty standardized: but it is far from my Ideal.

zoolander · 06-07-2016, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Heie

NEWSFLASH! Pentax Doesn't Make Lenses O.O
So this just happened in a FB photography group with the commonplace "what camera should I get" thread...

I'm at a loss for words. Is this legitimately a widely held belief? Because I've never come across this before...

-Heie

Because Pentax has released the K-1, and two of the lenses are made by Tamron, some might assume that Pentax doesn't make its own glass. Professional photographers will hold companies like Canikon with higher esteem because they believe that their lenses are made in-house. I believe that canikon will outsource the manufacture of some of their lenses to other makers.

Pentax and Sony seem to outsource or collaborate a fair bit, but this shouldn't disqualify a brand. Sony went with Zeiss, Panasonic outsources I think Leica lenses. I mean, its more of a prestige thing really.

What has disqualified a brand in the past was the lack of lenses. Then when the camera manufacturer produces new lenses, they get criticized for those lenses that are outsourced.

Its attitudes by the photography fraternity like this that turns me off of canikon.

---------- Post added 06-07-16 at 09:49 PM ----------

Originally posted by monochrome

The better analogy might be, "Does Ferrarri forge its own special alloy for its pistons?" If not, is Ferrarri really a car-maker, or merely a lowly assembler?

I think alloys are standardized, Mahl pistons usually use 4032 grade alloy, and I think Borgo in Italy have made Pistons for Ferrari from 2618 alloy. Mahl make pistons for Porsche and Carrillo of Italy make the connecting rods.

k5astro · 06-07-2016, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

In my workplace there is a pretty even number of Mac Vs PC users. Personally I'm a PC user, but that is because I have a personal preference for the type and make of hardware I use. I build my own Pc's I carefully select the hardware I use, and I have several brands that I have remained loyal to. Switching to Mac would probably be OK for me,their hardware is pretty standardized: but it is far from my Ideal.

For some reason, I just wanted to give a shout out. I have a MacBook Pro from 2008 and the disappointing thing is that I may never need another computer - no new toy

It still works beautifully and fast. I think the macs are well engineered but like you say, PCs give you customization, which is necessary sometimes.

Nicolas06 · 06-07-2016, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by gbeaton

For some reason, I just wanted to give a shout out. I have a MacBook Pro from 2008 and the disappointing thing is that I may never need another computer - no new toy

It still works beautifully and fast. I think the macs are well engineered but like you say, PCs give you customization, which is necessary sometimes.

Mine had many issues and died after 3 years. You can't really conclude from a single experience in a way or another.

I replaced the mac laptop by a desktop I made myself so it cost 1/3 of the price for the same spec -half because it is desktop, half because i don't pay the Mac assembler margin) simply because by then I had a mortage and could not afford the luxury that a mac is. Don't say it is bad, i love the design, but too expensive and I didn't experience the legendary reliability. I also needed at least a fast 4 core to get good performance for photo editing and that was crazy expensive on mac as a way of market segmentation.

Nicolas06 · 06-07-2016, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by mee

Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them.. so get a Mac if you want to use that microphone (novice musician/customer came in wanting to buy a basic microphone to connect to her PC --- the gist of what I heard while in line in a guitar center a few years ago).

I don't know for music, but for devs, all the guys that go to conference and present things have mac. It also provide a nice linux like environement with a window manager that actually work. At work I migrated to Linux recently and this is a pain half of the things I need (software) don't work or have more bugs. But I also get a much better dev env than on windows...

Theses things are tools, so use the one that work for you

. would be stupid to be mac, windows or linux fanatic just because. Depend what you need and what the things are providing to you.

**Digitalis** · 06-07-2016, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

I also needed at least a fast 4 core to get good performance for photo editing and that was crazy expensive on mac as a way of market segmentation.

This is one of the things I dislike most about proprietary hardware manufacturers - especially computers. With PC there is no market segregation, PC users can use and have whatever the hell they want in and connected to their systems. No-one is barred from putting a high performance mobo/cpu/ram/videocard in a cheap NZXT chassis. MACs are well designed devices, but you are financially penalized for the high performance offerings which have all the extra and often un-needed trimmings.

**snpsht** · 06-29-2016, 12:55 AM

Back to the indisputable fact that Pentax doesn't make FF lenses!

Walked into the Camera shop in Darwin today and was delighted to see they had a K-1 on display, and looked but there were no FF lenses to go with it. I was secretly hoping they'd have a 15-30 or a 24-70 I could have a look at and take home, but was really there (ahem, cough cough) just to buy a couple of filters. On the K-1 I had the FA43 and in my bag I had the 28-105, both "in production" FF lenses.

Anyway...pulled out the lens and camera with lens attached and checked filter sizes needed, got filters and asked whether they had any of the Pentax FF lenses in stock.

....wait for it

.....She told me Pentax doesn't make any FF lenses for the K-1 yet!!!!!!!!!!

I pointed out the two I had with me that were both FF, and said that they make a host of others, and she still said Pentax doesn't make FF lenses....can't get the parts to make the lenses, none in Australia, earthquake in Japan. I said that they are in fact available from CRK and a host of other places and she came back with the no stock in Australia yet, will be ages before anyone can get them etc

This is while I was standing right there in front of her holding a K-1 and two FF lenses...

Uhmmmmm

I sort of commented that I had heard CRK were sometimes a bit of a challenge for shops to deal with trying to give her a way out, and she said they had no problems in getting stuff sent up overnight...so clearly not a CRK issue...

To me, it's fine that they didn't have the lenses...Darwin is a small place and the Pentax market would not be big and I was actually very surprised to find they had a K-1 on the shelf, but to be told FF lenses for the K-1 didn't exist when I had 2 on my person ...well....

No offer to check on whether they could get stock, no pretense of interest or knowledge.

I guess I should be grateful to her for saving me a bit over $2000 (for now).

**Digitalis** · 06-29-2016, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by snpsht

I pointed out the two I had with me that were both FF, and said that they make a host of others, and she still said Pentax doesn't make FF lenses....can't get the parts to make the lenses, none in Australia, earthquake in Japan. I said that they are in fact available from CRK and a host of other places and she came back with the no stock in Australia yet, will be ages before anyone can get them etc

That sales rep has no purpose working there if she has no knowledge of current product lines. You should have spoken to the manager.

Japan has over the past 11 days experienced 8 earthquakes over magnitude 4.5* . California, which has been referred to as "gods etch-a-sketch" has experienced only 1 earthquake over the magnitude of 4.5** in the past 30 days.

Considering the strength and frequency of earthquakes, it is a wonder that anything gets produced in japan.

*Today's Earthquakes in Japan
**Latest Earthquakes USGS

**snpsht** · 06-29-2016, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

You should have spoken to the manager.

Yeah, I know. I have bought a lens (or perhaps two?) on previous trips and have found the manager and the other chap who works/worked there helpful - I spend quite a bit of time up here in the NT.

After getting back out to my daughter's place I had a quick look for an email contact or feedback form with that thought but was unsuccessful. If I am in town again this stay I might drop by and see if he's around...it's a good store and it even has a lovely old round PENTAX sign suspended from the awning out the front...always makes me smile to see that sign.

Saying "I don't know" or "our throughput of Pentax does warrant us carrying their their high end lenses" perhaps backed up by an offer to look see what's available would be preferable.

Snippy salesgirls providing blatantly wrong info don't impress me though.

06-07-2016, 04:53 AM	#66
k5astro Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 387	Originally posted by Digitalis In my workplace there is a pretty even number of Mac Vs PC users. Personally I'm a PC user, but that is because I have a personal preference for the type and make of hardware I use. I build my own Pc's I carefully select the hardware I use, and I have several brands that I have remained loyal to. Switching to Mac would probably be OK for me,their hardware is pretty standardized: but it is far from my Ideal. For some reason, I just wanted to give a shout out. I have a MacBook Pro from 2008 and the disappointing thing is that I may never need another computer - no new toy It still works beautifully and fast. I think the macs are well engineered but like you say, PCs give you customization, which is necessary sometimes. Last edited by k5astro; 06-07-2016 at 04:54 AM. Reason: reformat

06-29-2016, 02:18 AM	#71
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by snpsht I pointed out the two I had with me that were both FF, and said that they make a host of others, and she still said Pentax doesn't make FF lenses....can't get the parts to make the lenses, none in Australia, earthquake in Japan. I said that they are in fact available from CRK and a host of other places and she came back with the no stock in Australia yet, will be ages before anyone can get them etc That sales rep has no purpose working there if she has no knowledge of current product lines. You should have spoken to the manager. Japan has over the past 11 days experienced 8 earthquakes over magnitude 4.5* . California, which has been referred to as "gods etch-a-sketch" has experienced only 1 earthquake over the magnitude of 4.5** in the past 30 days. Considering the strength and frequency of earthquakes, it is a wonder that anything gets produced in japan. Today's Earthquakes in Japan *Latest Earthquakes USGS Last edited by Digitalis; 06-29-2016 at 02:24 AM.

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clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by mee Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them.. so get a Mac if you want to use that microphone (novice musician/customer came in wanting to buy a basic microphone to connect to her PC --- the gist of what I heard while in line in a guitar center a few years ago). If they hear someone badly picking the intro to 'Stairway to Heaven' in their shop, a salesman is morally obligated to upsell them big time.

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Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by mee Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them In my workplace there is a pretty even number of Mac Vs PC users. Personally I'm a PC user, but that is because I have a personal preference for the type and make of hardware I use. I build my own Pc's I carefully select the hardware I use, and I have several brands that I have remained loyal to. Switching to Mac would probably be OK for me,their hardware is pretty standardized: but it is far from my Ideal.

06-07-2016, 03:55 AM	#65
zoolander Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Gold Coast Photos: Albums Posts: 351	Originally posted by Heie NEWSFLASH! Pentax Doesn't Make Lenses O.O So this just happened in a FB photography group with the commonplace "what camera should I get" thread... I'm at a loss for words. Is this legitimately a widely held belief? Because I've never come across this before... -Heie Because Pentax has released the K-1, and two of the lenses are made by Tamron, some might assume that Pentax doesn't make its own glass. Professional photographers will hold companies like Canikon with higher esteem because they believe that their lenses are made in-house. I believe that canikon will outsource the manufacture of some of their lenses to other makers. Pentax and Sony seem to outsource or collaborate a fair bit, but this shouldn't disqualify a brand. Sony went with Zeiss, Panasonic outsources I think Leica lenses. I mean, its more of a prestige thing really. What has disqualified a brand in the past was the lack of lenses. Then when the camera manufacturer produces new lenses, they get criticized for those lenses that are outsourced. Its attitudes by the photography fraternity like this that turns me off of canikon. ---------- Post added 06-07-16 at 09:49 PM ---------- Originally posted by monochrome The better analogy might be, "Does Ferrarri forge its own special alloy for its pistons?" If not, is Ferrarri really a car-maker, or merely a lowly assembler? I think alloys are standardized, Mahl pistons usually use 4032 grade alloy, and I think Borgo in Italy have made Pistons for Ferrari from 2618 alloy. Mahl make pistons for Porsche and Carrillo of Italy make the connecting rods.

06-07-2016, 11:38 AM	#67
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by gbeaton For some reason, I just wanted to give a shout out. I have a MacBook Pro from 2008 and the disappointing thing is that I may never need another computer - no new toy It still works beautifully and fast. I think the macs are well engineered but like you say, PCs give you customization, which is necessary sometimes. Mine had many issues and died after 3 years. You can't really conclude from a single experience in a way or another. I replaced the mac laptop by a desktop I made myself so it cost 1/3 of the price for the same spec -half because it is desktop, half because i don't pay the Mac assembler margin) simply because by then I had a mortage and could not afford the luxury that a mac is. Don't say it is bad, i love the design, but too expensive and I didn't experience the legendary reliability. I also needed at least a fast 4 core to get good performance for photo editing and that was crazy expensive on mac as a way of market segmentation.

06-07-2016, 11:44 AM	#68
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by mee Mac PCs are better than Windows PCs because more pros use them.. so get a Mac if you want to use that microphone (novice musician/customer came in wanting to buy a basic microphone to connect to her PC --- the gist of what I heard while in line in a guitar center a few years ago). I don't know for music, but for devs, all the guys that go to conference and present things have mac. It also provide a nice linux like environement with a window manager that actually work. At work I migrated to Linux recently and this is a pain half of the things I need (software) don't work or have more bugs. But I also get a much better dev env than on windows... Theses things are tools, so use the one that work for you . would be stupid to be mac, windows or linux fanatic just because. Depend what you need and what the things are providing to you.

06-07-2016, 05:16 PM	#69
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Nicolas06 I also needed at least a fast 4 core to get good performance for photo editing and that was crazy expensive on mac as a way of market segmentation. This is one of the things I dislike most about proprietary hardware manufacturers - especially computers. With PC there is no market segregation, PC users can use and have whatever the hell they want in and connected to their systems. No-one is barred from putting a high performance mobo/cpu/ram/videocard in a cheap NZXT chassis. MACs are well designed devices, but you are financially penalized for the high performance offerings which have all the extra and often un-needed trimmings.

06-29-2016, 12:55 AM	#70
snpsht Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South Coast, NSW Posts: 286	Back to the indisputable fact that Pentax doesn't make FF lenses! Walked into the Camera shop in Darwin today and was delighted to see they had a K-1 on display, and looked but there were no FF lenses to go with it. I was secretly hoping they'd have a 15-30 or a 24-70 I could have a look at and take home, but was really there (ahem, cough cough) just to buy a couple of filters. On the K-1 I had the FA43 and in my bag I had the 28-105, both "in production" FF lenses. Anyway...pulled out the lens and camera with lens attached and checked filter sizes needed, got filters and asked whether they had any of the Pentax FF lenses in stock. ....wait for it .....She told me Pentax doesn't make any FF lenses for the K-1 yet!!!!!!!!!! I pointed out the two I had with me that were both FF, and said that they make a host of others, and she still said Pentax doesn't make FF lenses....can't get the parts to make the lenses, none in Australia, earthquake in Japan. I said that they are in fact available from CRK and a host of other places and she came back with the no stock in Australia yet, will be ages before anyone can get them etc This is while I was standing right there in front of her holding a K-1 and two FF lenses... Uhmmmmm I sort of commented that I had heard CRK were sometimes a bit of a challenge for shops to deal with trying to give her a way out, and she said they had no problems in getting stuff sent up overnight...so clearly not a CRK issue... To me, it's fine that they didn't have the lenses...Darwin is a small place and the Pentax market would not be big and I was actually very surprised to find they had a K-1 on the shelf, but to be told FF lenses for the K-1 didn't exist when I had 2 on my person ...well.... No offer to check on whether they could get stock, no pretense of interest or knowledge. I guess I should be grateful to her for saving me a bit over $2000 (for now).

06-29-2016, 03:15 AM	#72
snpsht Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South Coast, NSW Posts: 286	Originally posted by Digitalis You should have spoken to the manager. Yeah, I know. I have bought a lens (or perhaps two?) on previous trips and have found the manager and the other chap who works/worked there helpful - I spend quite a bit of time up here in the NT. After getting back out to my daughter's place I had a quick look for an email contact or feedback form with that thought but was unsuccessful. If I am in town again this stay I might drop by and see if he's around...it's a good store and it even has a lovely old round PENTAX sign suspended from the awning out the front...always makes me smile to see that sign. Saying "I don't know" or "our throughput of Pentax does warrant us carrying their their high end lenses" perhaps backed up by an offer to look see what's available would be preferable. Snippy salesgirls providing blatantly wrong info don't impress me though.