Loosing Sleep if there is an alternateve to D FA 15-30 ..... Its controlling my Mind

pathdoc · 06-15-2016, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by noelpolar

size and filter readiness is important to me.....

Not to mention his proximity, so you can clunk him over the head with it if it's a lemon.

I am at times tempted by sub-28mm full-frame Pentax primes, but I have an RMC Tokina 17/3.5 that hasn't yet received its full due and a 19-35mm Vivitar zoom with A contacts that covers the ground in between. Either the Tokina or the Pentax HD 15/4 is going to get the nod for Single In in a few months (July 30's, August 20's, September 10-teens). Must take a couple of test shots tonight and see what the Tokina is like in front of extension tubes (its front filter size is too wide for my reversing ring).

Sandy Hancock · 06-15-2016, 04:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pathdoc

Not to mention his proximity, so you can clunk him over the head with it if it's a lemon.

But then I could argue the impact had caused de-centering

**monochrome** · 06-15-2016, 04:41 PM

I'm working my way through drawers full of manual primes attempting to cull the ones that aren't exceptional, eventually to be replaced by one or maybe two of the new Zooms. I do have an A20/2.8 for extreme wide and nothing AF longer than 90, so my order of preference was 24-70 then 70-200, then maybe 28-105. But now the 15-30 might just have moved ahead.

As far as other members jumping in to tell you you don't need a K-1 -

Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality taking into account lenses, and certainly nothing is so much fun. Besides - it's your decision, not theirs, and I don't think you were asking whether you should buy the camera, were you?

noelpolar · 06-15-2016, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

But then I could argue the impact had caused de-centering

If it had a K-1 one attached I doubt you'd be in a position to argue!

pathdoc · 06-16-2016, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality

Does anything that ANYONE makes right now equal it at new-in-store, over-the-counter prices?

ukspeedtraps · 06-16-2016, 04:23 AM

I have the K-1 mated to the 15-30, they are both my first new body and lens in 15 years, I don't have any other lens to go on the K-1 as yet so I have to make the most of what I have. It was a tough decision to get that combo.

I like taking landscape images and the lens is ideal, but I also kite buggy and a more powerful lens would have been great. Having only the one lens has forced me to get close and I am getting some great images. I am over the moon with my kit and love the 15-30, the next hard choice is what lens to get next.. I am tempted with the D FA 70-200 F2.8 but it leaves me with a gap in the middle..

Dlanor Sekao · 06-16-2016, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

As far as other members jumping in to tell you you don't need a K-1 -

Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality taking into account lenses, and certainly nothing is so much fun. Besides - it's your decision, not theirs, and I don't think you were asking whether you should buy the camera, were you?

Exactly ...+1
The K-1 Part is a Completely Done Deal........its the thingy that goes on the front that has me drooling , questioning , and Pondering

My APSc Isnt going anywhere EVER, and I too am Culling lenses for at least one very Nice lens. Its Long over due.

**Focusrite** · 06-16-2016, 07:35 AM

A very interesting discussion. I've had similar thoughts regarding the point of upgrading without the glass to match. Has anyone tried a Sigma 20-40 f2.8 on full frame? My local camera store has a K-1 in stock as well as a Sigma 20-40 f2.8 that's been sitting on a display shelf for the two years I've been visiting the store. My K-5 may be dying and I'm considering the K-1 as an upgrade, but my only real need for full frame would be for low light and occasional ultra-wide shots ( and a combination of the two; capturing the Milky Way + foreground ). I already have a few FF lenses, including a Samyang 14mm f2.8 as well as a FA20, and I'm watching the "convert your 60-250 to FF" ( my paraphrase ) thread very closely; so I wondered whether the Sigma 20-40 would more or less fill the gap in my FF lens line-up nicely and not leave a massive dent in my wallet. I paired the K-1 with my FA20 in the shop ( highly unscientific testing ) followed by the 20-40 and was impressed enough with the centre sharpness of both wide open ( what I'd need for night sky shots?? ), but the 20-40 especially seemed to suffer in the corners wide open ( and bawd, bawd, BAD CA on high contrast areas - ironically the black-on-white Sigma logo on a lens display cabinet ). It may have been the way I was testing it or the environment - focusing on a wall in the shop 4 metres away - but it's not enough for me to judge how well it will behave out in the field as a pair. I know the Sammy 14mm will do well, it seems to have been given the tick of approval from enough people. I might have to go back and take a SD card with me to record the photos to view them in Lightroom.

I then tried the 15-30 ( that is one big lens! . . . and expensive ), and although I ( with more highly unscientific testing ) decided that the centre sharpness didn't seem to be too much better than the 20 or 20-40, the borders seemed much better. I've been stewing about it all afternoon, but unless I hear some favourable opinions on the Sig 20-40 on FF I'm not sure there's any point on shelling out for the K-1 unless I can afford to pair a decent lens to it.

I'm also going on a road trip in a couple of week's time . . . No urgency Focusrite; no urgency!

estost · 06-16-2016, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by ukspeedtraps

I have the K-1 mated to the 15-30, they are both my first new body and lens in 15 years, I don't have any other lens to go on the K-1 as yet so I have to make the most of what I have. It was a tough decision to get that combo.

I like taking landscape images and the lens is ideal, but I also kite buggy and a more powerful lens would have been great. Having only the one lens has forced me to get close and I am getting some great images. I am over the moon with my kit and love the 15-30, the next hard choice is what lens to get next.. I am tempted with the D FA 70-200 F2.8 but it leaves me with a gap in the middle..

ukspeedtraps, get that 70-200 and then an FA 1,4/50 for the gap. You don't have to cover every single mm

And you will be most happy to have at least one lens weighing less than 1,5 kg and fitting into your daypack, I promise you...
Focusrite, the same here: Stay with the 2,8/20 that is one great lens! Forget about the Sigma, get an FA 2/35 instead and the 60-250 will already not be too far away... Just dare go prime

ukspeedtraps · 06-16-2016, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by estost

ukspeedtraps, get that 70-200 and then an FA 1,4/50 for the gap. You don't have to cover every single mm

And you will be most happy to have at least one lens weighing less than 1,5 kg and fitting into your daypack, I promise you...

Been considering a lightweight so thanks for the tip..

noelpolar · 06-16-2016, 09:50 PM

Fa43....

06-15-2016, 04:41 PM	#33
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I'm working my way through drawers full of manual primes attempting to cull the ones that aren't exceptional, eventually to be replaced by one or maybe two of the new Zooms. I do have an A20/2.8 for extreme wide and nothing AF longer than 90, so my order of preference was 24-70 then 70-200, then maybe 28-105. But now the 15-30 might just have moved ahead. As far as other members jumping in to tell you you don't need a K-1 - Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality taking into account lenses, and certainly nothing is so much fun. Besides - it's your decision, not theirs, and I don't think you were asking whether you should buy the camera, were you? Last edited by monochrome; 06-15-2016 at 04:49 PM.

06-16-2016, 09:15 AM	#39
estost Junior Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 33	Originally posted by ukspeedtraps I have the K-1 mated to the 15-30, they are both my first new body and lens in 15 years, I don't have any other lens to go on the K-1 as yet so I have to make the most of what I have. It was a tough decision to get that combo. I like taking landscape images and the lens is ideal, but I also kite buggy and a more powerful lens would have been great. Having only the one lens has forced me to get close and I am getting some great images. I am over the moon with my kit and love the 15-30, the next hard choice is what lens to get next.. I am tempted with the D FA 70-200 F2.8 but it leaves me with a gap in the middle.. ukspeedtraps, get that 70-200 and then an FA 1,4/50 for the gap. You don't have to cover every single mm And you will be most happy to have at least one lens weighing less than 1,5 kg and fitting into your daypack, I promise you... Focusrite, the same here: Stay with the 2,8/20 that is one great lens! Forget about the Sigma, get an FA 2/35 instead and the 60-250 will already not be too far away... Just dare go prime Last edited by estost; 06-16-2016 at 09:25 AM.

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06-15-2016, 06:24 AM	#31
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by noelpolar size and filter readiness is important to me..... Not to mention his proximity, so you can clunk him over the head with it if it's a lemon. I am at times tempted by sub-28mm full-frame Pentax primes, but I have an RMC Tokina 17/3.5 that hasn't yet received its full due and a 19-35mm Vivitar zoom with A contacts that covers the ground in between. Either the Tokina or the Pentax HD 15/4 is going to get the nod for Single In in a few months (July 30's, August 20's, September 10-teens). Must take a couple of test shots tonight and see what the Tokina is like in front of extension tubes (its front filter size is too wide for my reversing ring).

06-15-2016, 04:11 PM - 1 Like	#32
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Originally posted by pathdoc Not to mention his proximity, so you can clunk him over the head with it if it's a lemon. But then I could argue the impact had caused de-centering

06-15-2016, 04:52 PM	#34
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock But then I could argue the impact had caused de-centering If it had a K-1 one attached I doubt you'd be in a position to argue!

06-16-2016, 03:50 AM	#35
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by monochrome Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality Does anything that ANYONE makes right now equal it at new-in-store, over-the-counter prices?

06-16-2016, 04:23 AM	#36
ukspeedtraps Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Midlands Posts: 51	I have the K-1 mated to the 15-30, they are both my first new body and lens in 15 years, I don't have any other lens to go on the K-1 as yet so I have to make the most of what I have. It was a tough decision to get that combo. I like taking landscape images and the lens is ideal, but I also kite buggy and a more powerful lens would have been great. Having only the one lens has forced me to get close and I am getting some great images. I am over the moon with my kit and love the 15-30, the next hard choice is what lens to get next.. I am tempted with the D FA 70-200 F2.8 but it leaves me with a gap in the middle..

06-16-2016, 04:52 AM	#37
Dlanor Sekao Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,457 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome As far as other members jumping in to tell you you don't need a K-1 - Nothing Pentax currently makes - even the 645z - equals K-1 in terms of cost per unit of quality taking into account lenses, and certainly nothing is so much fun. Besides - it's your decision, not theirs, and I don't think you were asking whether you should buy the camera, were you? Exactly ...+1 The K-1 Part is a Completely Done Deal........its the thingy that goes on the front that has me drooling , questioning , and Pondering My APSc Isnt going anywhere EVER, and I too am Culling lenses for at least one very Nice lens. Its Long over due.

06-16-2016, 07:35 AM	#38
Focusrite Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 206	A very interesting discussion. I've had similar thoughts regarding the point of upgrading without the glass to match. Has anyone tried a Sigma 20-40 f2.8 on full frame? My local camera store has a K-1 in stock as well as a Sigma 20-40 f2.8 that's been sitting on a display shelf for the two years I've been visiting the store. My K-5 may be dying and I'm considering the K-1 as an upgrade, but my only real need for full frame would be for low light and occasional ultra-wide shots ( and a combination of the two; capturing the Milky Way + foreground ). I already have a few FF lenses, including a Samyang 14mm f2.8 as well as a FA20, and I'm watching the "convert your 60-250 to FF" ( my paraphrase ) thread very closely; so I wondered whether the Sigma 20-40 would more or less fill the gap in my FF lens line-up nicely and not leave a massive dent in my wallet. I paired the K-1 with my FA20 in the shop ( highly unscientific testing ) followed by the 20-40 and was impressed enough with the centre sharpness of both wide open ( what I'd need for night sky shots?? ), but the 20-40 especially seemed to suffer in the corners wide open ( and bawd, bawd, BAD CA on high contrast areas - ironically the black-on-white Sigma logo on a lens display cabinet ). It may have been the way I was testing it or the environment - focusing on a wall in the shop 4 metres away - but it's not enough for me to judge how well it will behave out in the field as a pair. I know the Sammy 14mm will do well, it seems to have been given the tick of approval from enough people. I might have to go back and take a SD card with me to record the photos to view them in Lightroom. I then tried the 15-30 ( that is one big lens! . . . and expensive ), and although I ( with more highly unscientific testing ) decided that the centre sharpness didn't seem to be too much better than the 20 or 20-40, the borders seemed much better. I've been stewing about it all afternoon, but unless I hear some favourable opinions on the Sig 20-40 on FF I'm not sure there's any point on shelling out for the K-1 unless I can afford to pair a decent lens to it. I'm also going on a road trip in a couple of week's time . . . No urgency Focusrite; no urgency!

06-16-2016, 09:41 AM	#40
ukspeedtraps Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Midlands Posts: 51	Originally posted by estost ukspeedtraps, get that 70-200 and then an FA 1,4/50 for the gap. You don't have to cover every single mm And you will be most happy to have at least one lens weighing less than 1,5 kg and fitting into your daypack, I promise you... Been considering a lightweight so thanks for the tip..

06-16-2016, 09:50 PM	#41
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Fa43....