FIVE new lenses to be announced by Samyang.

Mistral75 · 07-14-2016, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Simen1

Originally posted by MadMathMind

It shouldn't be a surprise they're not making a mirrorless lens in K mount.

The current Samyang mirror telephoto lenses are not very good. I hope for a new and better one, because my long telephoto lenses sometimes are prioritized away from the excursion because of weight. But these profiles all look like mirrorless designs. At least two of them with wide angle.

(...)

MadMathMind was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens.

Originally posted by Simen1

(...)

Any speculations on if this is new formulas of current primes or completely new focal lengths? Does any of the profile images match up with current lenses?

The first one (top left) definitely looks like a 85mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 for SLRs.

rawr · 07-14-2016, 06:13 AM

Only 5 new lenses? Are they even trying?

Hopefully they won't be super-expensive new cine designs, like the Tokina cine lenses.

pathdoc · 07-14-2016, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Only 5 new lenses? Are they even trying?

Samyang is DOOOOOOOOMED!

David&karen · 07-14-2016, 09:37 AM - **1 Like**

It would be nice if they coughed up a 21mm full frame prime in pentax mount, even f2.8 would be good for me!<br />
<br />
David

wkraus · 07-14-2016, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by southlander

Well CS is their mirrorless series so all lenses in the CS range are designed for short flange distances. In this case it's not a case of ignoring Pentax, the optical designs are simply not suitable for dslrs.

CS is for Crop Sensor, as in the two Samyang lenses I have with K mount (16mm f/2 CS and 8mm f/3.5 CS II Fisheye).

MadMathMind · 07-14-2016, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

MadMathMind was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens.

Yup.

Quote:

The first one (top left) definitely looks like a 85mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 for SLRs.

They have a 85/1.4. A 1.2....only Canon makes that and it is *pricey*.

Ok, Nikon has one, I think? But it's not autofocus because the mount is too small. Can't get it all in there. This may be why Pentax didn't release a F/FA version of the A 50/1.2.

Mistral75 · 07-15-2016, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by MadMathMind

(...)

They have a 85/1.4. A 1.2....only Canon makes that and it is *pricey*.

Ok, Nikon has one, I think? But it's not autofocus because the mount is too small. Can't get it all in there. This may be why Pentax didn't release a F/FA version of the A 50/1.2.

Nikon have no 85mm f/1.2 in their lineup. Zhong Yi Optics offer the Mitakon 85mm f/1.2 in Canon EF, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts.

**mattb123** · 07-15-2016, 10:45 AM

I wish Samyang would make a UWA lens for 645. I bet they would sell since the only other lenses at that range are $3-4K. Something in the 25-30mm range, f/4.5 would be plenty fast.

Simen1 · 07-15-2016, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by mattb123

I wish Samyang would make a UWA lens for 645. I bet they would sell since the only other lenses at that range are $3-4K. Something in the 25-30mm range, f/4.5 would be plenty fast.

A lens like that could also double as a tilt/shift lens for full frame.

I wish they had an ~85mm f/1,4 for 645. Or even a ~80mm f/2,0

Originally posted by Mistral75

MadMathMind was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens.

I understand. I was just a little exited for an alternative interpretation, as Samyang are making mirror lenses and there have been done very little modernizing on that since the seventies. A new mirror lens with an aperture (within the rear glass lenses), smoother edge transition, new coatings, new black baffle material, AF, and other improvements could potentially make waves and reintroduce mirror as an alternative to beasty long tele lenses.

Sorry for thinking out laud and 99,9% certain off topic.

Tan68 · 07-16-2016, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Simen1

Regarding AF compatibility complications, why don't they make a range measuring and focusing add on device completely independent of camera AF? It might be slow, it might be only a single spot metering, and it might be bothersome to calibrate, but it would be better then only manual focus. For instance based on laser or ultrasound or both. Its own battery for power and a motor to turn the AF ring.

Canon T80 system

no, i don't know how to post images in-line...

**jeffshaddix** · 07-16-2016, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by David&karen

It would be nice if they coughed up a 21mm full frame prime in pentax mount, even f2.8 would be good for me!<br />
<br />
David

Yes indeed! The Zeiss 2.8/21 is incredible, incredibly hard to find, and priced incredibly high.

I said "it would be nice if Samyang made a 135mm f/2" a couple years ago and they delivered with flying colors - so you never know.

Simen1 · 07-16-2016, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Tan68

Canon T80 system

no, i don't know how to post images in-line...

Yes, something like that. Modernized of course.

beholder3 · 07-16-2016, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by jeffshaddix

Yes indeed! The Zeiss 2.8/21 is incredible, incredibly hard to find, and priced incredibly high.

Nope. There are lots of used ZF versions available most of the time and they go for 700-900 EUR. Add 67 EUR for the Leitax mount and you are good to go if you think that is an interesting lens.

Nicolas06 · 07-16-2016, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by MadMathMind

I can! It sez...

Kenko-Tokina will offer for sale a Samyang 50mm F1.2 AS UMC CS lens on 7/22. It is believed the retail price will be 75,000 yen. The colors will be black and silver.

It is a mirrorless telephoto lens covering the image circle of the APS-C format. It will be introduced for Canon EF-M, Sony E, Fujifilm X, and micro 4/3rs.

The lens components include 2 aspherical elements among 7 groups of 9 elements. There are 9 aperture blades. Filter size is 62mm. Lens hood is attached.

The dimensions are 67.5×73〜74.5mm and the weight is 375g〜385g. (These differ with the mount.)

In addition, for use on the same mirrorless APS-C systems there is a 21mm F1.4 ED AS UMC CS coming soon.

By the way this look like a very interresting lens. Fuji lenses are expensive. Sony when they are good are VERY expensive and Oly/Pana don't have equivalent.

With AF, fast apperture and targetting mirrorless they open a new market where nobody ventured before.

Mistral75 · 07-16-2016, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

By the way this look like a very interesting lens. Fuji lenses are expensive. Sony when they are good are VERY expensive and Oly/Pana don't have equivalent.

With AF, fast aperture and targeting mirrorless they open a new market where nobody ventured before.

The Samyang 50mm f/1.2 AS UMC CS, the lens MadMathMind is talking about, is a manual focus APS-C lens, not to be mistaken with the Samyang AF 50mm f/1.4 FE (autofocus, 24x36).

07-15-2016, 11:11 AM	#24
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by mattb123 I wish Samyang would make a UWA lens for 645. I bet they would sell since the only other lenses at that range are $3-4K. Something in the 25-30mm range, f/4.5 would be plenty fast. A lens like that could also double as a tilt/shift lens for full frame. I wish they had an ~85mm f/1,4 for 645. Or even a ~80mm f/2,0 Originally posted by Mistral75 MadMathMind was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens. I understand. I was just a little exited for an alternative interpretation, as Samyang are making mirror lenses and there have been done very little modernizing on that since the seventies. A new mirror lens with an aperture (within the rear glass lenses), smoother edge transition, new coatings, new black baffle material, AF, and other improvements could potentially make waves and reintroduce mirror as an alternative to beasty long tele lenses. Sorry for thinking out laud and 99,9% certain off topic. Last edited by Simen1; 07-16-2016 at 03:00 AM.

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07-14-2016, 04:53 AM	#16
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Simen1 Originally posted by MadMathMind It shouldn't be a surprise they're not making a mirrorless lens in K mount. The current Samyang mirror telephoto lenses are not very good. I hope for a new and better one, because my long telephoto lenses sometimes are prioritized away from the excursion because of weight. But these profiles all look like mirrorless designs. At least two of them with wide angle. (...) *MadMathMind* was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens. Originally posted by Simen1 (...) Any speculations on if this is new formulas of current primes or completely new focal lengths? Does any of the profile images match up with current lenses? The first one (top left) definitely looks like a 85mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 for SLRs.

07-14-2016, 06:13 AM	#17
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Only 5 new lenses? Are they even trying? Hopefully they won't be super-expensive new cine designs, like the Tokina cine lenses.

07-14-2016, 08:29 AM	#18
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by rawr Only 5 new lenses? Are they even trying? Samyang is DOOOOOOOOMED!

07-14-2016, 09:37 AM - 1 Like	#19
David&karen Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 327	It would be nice if they coughed up a 21mm full frame prime in pentax mount, even f2.8 would be good for me!<br /> <br /> David

07-14-2016, 01:12 PM	#20
wkraus Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Near Vienna, Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,065	Originally posted by southlander Well CS is their mirrorless series so all lenses in the CS range are designed for short flange distances. In this case it's not a case of ignoring Pentax, the optical designs are simply not suitable for dslrs. CS is for Crop Sensor, as in the two Samyang lenses I have with K mount (16mm f/2 CS and 8mm f/3.5 CS II Fisheye).

07-14-2016, 08:42 PM	#21
MadMathMind Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,717	Originally posted by Mistral75 *MadMathMind* was using the expression "mirrorless lens" to point out a lens exclusively designed for mirrorless (= short-flanged) cameras, not as the antonym of mirror/reflex lens. Yup. Quote: The first one (top left) definitely looks like a 85mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 for SLRs. They have a 85/1.4. A 1.2....only Canon makes that and it is pricey. Ok, Nikon has one, I think? But it's not autofocus because the mount is too small. Can't get it all in there. This may be why Pentax didn't release a F/FA version of the A 50/1.2.

07-15-2016, 12:50 AM	#22
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by MadMathMind (...) They have a 85/1.4. A 1.2....only Canon makes that and it is pricey. Ok, Nikon has one, I think? But it's not autofocus because the mount is too small. Can't get it all in there. This may be why Pentax didn't release a F/FA version of the A 50/1.2. Nikon have no 85mm f/1.2 in their lineup. Zhong Yi Optics offer the Mitakon 85mm f/1.2 in Canon EF, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts.

07-15-2016, 10:45 AM	#23
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,873	I wish Samyang would make a UWA lens for 645. I bet they would sell since the only other lenses at that range are $3-4K. Something in the 25-30mm range, f/4.5 would be plenty fast.

07-16-2016, 08:11 AM	#25
Tan68 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 501	Originally posted by Simen1 Regarding AF compatibility complications, why don't they make a range measuring and focusing add on device completely independent of camera AF? It might be slow, it might be only a single spot metering, and it might be bothersome to calibrate, but it would be better then only manual focus. For instance based on laser or ultrasound or both. Its own battery for power and a motor to turn the AF ring. Canon T80 system no, i don't know how to post images in-line...

07-16-2016, 08:19 AM	#26
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	Originally posted by David&karen It would be nice if they coughed up a 21mm full frame prime in pentax mount, even f2.8 would be good for me!<br /> <br /> David Yes indeed! The Zeiss 2.8/21 is incredible, incredibly hard to find, and priced incredibly high. I said "it would be nice if Samyang made a 135mm f/2" a couple years ago and they delivered with flying colors - so you never know.

07-16-2016, 08:29 AM	#27
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by Tan68 Canon T80 system no, i don't know how to post images in-line... Yes, something like that. Modernized of course.

07-16-2016, 09:20 AM	#28
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by jeffshaddix Yes indeed! The Zeiss 2.8/21 is incredible, incredibly hard to find, and priced incredibly high. Nope. There are lots of used ZF versions available most of the time and they go for 700-900 EUR. Add 67 EUR for the Leitax mount and you are good to go if you think that is an interesting lens.

07-16-2016, 12:15 PM	#29
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by MadMathMind I can! It sez... Kenko-Tokina will offer for sale a Samyang 50mm F1.2 AS UMC CS lens on 7/22. It is believed the retail price will be 75,000 yen. The colors will be black and silver. It is a mirrorless telephoto lens covering the image circle of the APS-C format. It will be introduced for Canon EF-M, Sony E, Fujifilm X, and micro 4/3rs. The lens components include 2 aspherical elements among 7 groups of 9 elements. There are 9 aperture blades. Filter size is 62mm. Lens hood is attached. The dimensions are 67.5×73〜74.5mm and the weight is 375g〜385g. (These differ with the mount.) In addition, for use on the same mirrorless APS-C systems there is a 21mm F1.4 ED AS UMC CS coming soon. By the way this look like a very interresting lens. Fuji lenses are expensive. Sony when they are good are VERY expensive and Oly/Pana don't have equivalent. With AF, fast apperture and targetting mirrorless they open a new market where nobody ventured before.

07-16-2016, 01:39 PM	#30
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Nicolas06 By the way this look like a very interesting lens. Fuji lenses are expensive. Sony when they are good are VERY expensive and Oly/Pana don't have equivalent. With AF, fast aperture and targeting mirrorless they open a new market where nobody ventured before. The Samyang 50mm f/1.2 AS UMC CS, the lens *MadMathMind* is talking about, is a manual focus APS-C lens, not to be mistaken with the Samyang AF 50mm f/1.4 FE (autofocus, 24x36).