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08-17-2016, 02:38 PM   #1
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Hmm.. 16-85 or 20-40 +70?

The former does it all well but with more bulk & less aperture, but two Limited lenses is a more expensive choice.. and a 15mm might be "needed" later! Presumably these will be put on a K-3ii body so f<2.8 lenses would make use of the fast AF center points.

No bad choices here at least
Any thoughts welcome.

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The lure of the limiteds is irresistible....
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They are uniquely special lenses plus I have the matching Forum shirt from a few years ago..
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16-85 for travel and family time. 15 and 77 for "photography time".

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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
The lure of the limiteds is irresistible....
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I never really liked the 20-40mm.
It is not small like the other DA limiteds, and its focal range was too short for me.

If it were me, I would get the 16-85, then get a 35 f2.4, 50 f1.8 or the 70mm to supplement the zoom.
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All depends on what you are looking to do. In that case you mentioned above I would go with the 16-85 every time. If it involves walking around, going on a trip, being outside etc etc the zoom is a better choice.
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My take on the matter is this - when I put a WR lens on a WR body to go walkabout, it's because I expect to get rained or hailed on and that lens will be staying on the camera. Therefore it is best to choose the WR lens which has the broadest range.

If I am not using it for the WR, then I have to admit the 20-40 has its appeal - but I already have the 21 and the 40 and saw no need to buy an extra lens that does both (but slower at the 40 end). And yes, sooner or later (depending on what shooting you do), you will want to add the 15 at one end and the 70 at the other.

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16-85 no question. The Limiteds are wonderful but the 16-85 is also very good and the full focal range is available.
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I have both the 16-85 and the DA 70 Limited. The 16-85 is just an effortlessly beautiful and useful lens. The 70 for portraits, but otherwise the 16-85 will get much more use.
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As we always advise each other, every decision is a compromise on some feature or another, and each of us weighs them differently..

Reasons for the Limited: silver option (flimsy, but I could get a K-3ii in silver!), any excuse that justifies the DA70 (good), compactness (good)
against: more frequent lens changes (not awful but not always a good idea)

For the 16-85: extra range (very good!), slightly better prices at times (helpful)
against: totally obviates my decent Sigma 28-80, bulkier than my preference (important if I leave it home frequently)

Draws: WR, DC motor, lens speed (f/2.8-4 vs 3.5-4.5 in matching range), closeup (.2x vs .24x)
Other options like DA16-45, 17-50, 17-70 = no weather seals or (*16-50) more bulk.

Guess this explains the 'Hmm' on the title!
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I've been pondering this very same dilemma for months on end. Came very close to buying both at different times, but just keep using the 18-135. Already have 15, 21, 28, 35(x2), 40, 50(x2) 70, 85, 100(x2), 300, 400, 18--55, 35-70, 55-300, 60-250, 70-210... Why do I suspect I will end up with both anyway? LBA is treacherous! Good luck with your decision.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Paul the Sunman Quote
I have both the 16-85 and the DA 70 Limited. The 16-85 is just an effortlessly beautiful and useful lens. The 70 for portraits, but otherwise the 16-85 will get much more use.
I generally agree with this.
I don't have the 20-40 or the 16-85 but the 16-85 has the better focal range and IQ is quite stellar from the reviews I have seen. As for the 70, I love mine and couldn't be without it now.
On the flip side the 20-40 is smaller and lighter than the 16-85 and only you can say if that is important to you.
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I find the 20-40 plus 50-135 is a good kit for me. I have a 18-135 which is a better choice for walking about without a plan but the 20-40 with 50-135 is a sweeter shooting experience. I did not expect to like the 20-40 this much.

I own the da15, fa31, fa35, da40, fa50, da70, FA77, and often carried a three lens kit out of these primes when I didn't want to use the 18-135. But lately the two lens 20-135 plus an HD da 1.4x has been in my bag.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jimr-pdx Quote
Hmm.. 16-85 or 20-40 +70?
The former does it all well but with more bulk & less aperture, but two Limited lenses is a more expensive choice.. and a 15mm might be "needed" later! Presumably these will be put on a K-3ii body so f<2.8 lenses would make use of the fast AF center points.
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All depends on what you are looking to do.
I agree with the second quote from alamo here. Sounds like it is the bulk and aperture that you are questioning. If that is the case, then, yes, the 20-40 + 70 alternative is a bit better. As versatile as the 16-85 is, there are also a good number of reviews of the 20-40 that state it is also a great walk around option. The question might be - how often are your shots outside of the 20-40 focal range? If you would be forcing a lens swap often that little extra bulk of the 16-85 might feel like the optimum choice. My own ideal wish kit that I have none of is the 20-40, plus 15 and 70. I have looked at the focal lengths of many of my shots and, honestly, the 20-40 range could almost do everything. I think the 20-40 limited could be the perfect lens for me. I currently have the DA 17-70, 16-50, and 18-55 II. What am I chasing with my wish kit? - I'm trying to get the holy grail of photography flexibility - max IQ, max focal range flexibility, max aperture, and min bulk - that meets my needs. What parameters are you optimizing for? Determine where the points of extra zoom or extra aperture are no longer additional value to you. Look at the focal lengths and apertures of the shots you have already taken, and that may help guide you. My $ 0.02 worth.
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