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07-24-2008, 08:26 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenyee Quote
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What did you do to the bokeh in the first photo?
First 8 photos (in upper post) made by Tigra Girl (the photographer) Latest 3 photos - my work

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I could talk about my borthers A*85, which is indeed a fantastic lens. But you have to find it first to buy it. A more constructive suggestion: Have you tried 100 mm? Pentax made very nice 100/2.8 lenses in M and A versions, crisp sharp, but still compact enough to walk around with in the pocket. An not at all as expensive as some of the 85s second hand.

But do you want the 85mm length as it was on film or as it is on digital? In the former case you have the excellent and cheap FA50/1.4, and probably Pentax intend the coming 55mm to replace the old 85/1.4's. (Note that the A* and FA* 85/1.4's mentioned in this thread are different optical solutions with quite different properties)

Talking about galloping e-bay prices on A* lenses, take a look at this one:
eBay.ie: Pentax A* 135 135mm F1.8 (item 110267506310 end time 13-Jul-08 19:34:16 BST)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Quote
I could talk about my borthers A*85, which is indeed a fantastic lens. But you have to find it first to buy it. A more constructive suggestion: Have you tried 100 mm? Pentax made very nice 100/2.8 lenses in M and A versions, crisp sharp, but still compact enough to walk around with in the pocket. An not at all as expensive as some of the 85s second hand.

But do you want the 85mm length as it was on film or as it is on digital? In the former case you have the excellent and cheap FA50/1.4, and probably Pentax intend the coming 55mm to replace the old 85/1.4's. (Note that the A* and FA* 85/1.4's mentioned in this thread are different optical solutions with quite different properties)

Talking about galloping e-bay prices on A* lenses, take a look at this one:
eBay.ie: Pentax A* 135 135mm F1.8 (item 110267506310 end time 13-Jul-08 19:34:16 BST)


Mike Cash has indeed taken some incredible shots with his S-M-C Takumar 105mm that he's posted in the "Takumar Club" thread. I think the majority of them he's snapped from the driver's seat of his truck in Tokyo.

I have the M 100 f/2.8, and although it doesn't look to be quite the equal of the S-M-C Tak 105, it's no slouch, and could be an adequate substitute for an 85mm, at least where FL is concerned.

My M 85 is noticeably better, however, and that tells me that the sweet-spot that the 85mm FL occupies allows manufacturers to put in more optical power at cost - something I would like to ask an optical engineer about, because I don't see any other explanation for why these 85mm images are so uniformly stunning.



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QuoteOriginally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Quote
But do you want the 85mm length as it was on film or as it is on digital?
I want an 85/1.4. It's a lens formula. Whatever it is seems to have really good bokeh no matter which company makes it...the Nikon/Canon variants are also excellent.
The Helios is interesting...10 blades, but made for taking images of oscilloscopes (yeah weird :-)
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Prices are ridiculous though...$350 on fleabay
No A setting so you have to use stop-down metering...

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but made for taking images of oscilloscopes
maybe im just ignorant, but why would someone be taking photos of oscilloscopes?
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Not the same, but in a former position I had to use a Polaroid instant camera on a hood to take pictures of network analyzer for testing RADAR antennas.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenyee Quote
The Helios is interesting...10 blades, but made for taking images of oscilloscopes (yeah weird :-)
Also, from Helios 40-2 you can take the much live and realistic photo By my opinion - all other lens (like Canon 85mm /1.2 or such) - have a bored picture
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maybe im just ignorant, but why would someone be taking photos of oscilloscopes?
It was for control of devices work in laboratory at 1970-1980 years.

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suro: why do you think the Helios is better than other lenses? the creamy bokeh? It actually looks smoother than the acclaimed Bokina to me :-)
Is stop down metering a pain with it? I thought the K10D/K20D had bad stop down metering (off a stop or two compared to the K100D)?

seamuis: it was from a different time when oscilloscopes weren't digital so you couldn't just screen capture it and dump it onto a nearby printer like you can do w/ the latest Tektronix gear...these were the old days ;-)
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Thank you for your post; I benefited immensely from this one. I had next to no knowledge of this lens until this post. Also, your shot in your review of the leaves is breathtaking!

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QuoteOriginally posted by kenyee Quote
suro: why do you think the Helios is better than other lenses? the creamy bokeh? It actually looks smoother than the acclaimed Bokina to me :-)
Is stop down metering a pain with it? I thought the K10D/K20D had bad stop down metering (off a stop or two compared to the K100D)?

seamuis: it was from a different time when oscilloscopes weren't digital so you couldn't just screen capture it and dump it onto a nearby printer like you can do w/ the latest Tektronix gear...these were the old days ;-)
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wow, the bokeh for the Helio is awesome, the circular pattern is quite dreamy.
kenyee: which is this Bokina you speak of?
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kenyee, may it will be interest for you (about Helios 40-2):

Just Sheer Madness: Canon EOS 350D with Helios 40-2 1.5/85mm

Canon EOS 350D: Playing with the Bokeh

Most other lens have bored, flat, "digital" picture with colored border (contur) on high contrast scene Also, you can playing with bokeh by ... f1.5-f22 and distance, it give you different result. With function "Live View" in K20D you will not have any problem with focus on the f1.5 Or, you can use special focus screen (like on 35mm film camera).
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