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09-12-2016, 07:01 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
So it's quite possible I'm waiting for the next flagship , so I can get the K-3ii at a good price. So many possibilities. As above, my K-3 is more camera than I've ever hoped for. I'm sure I can go another 18 months without something new if nothing becomes clear.
The popup flash v GPS battle goes on. For me, I just love the despised popup on the K-3, because of this:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/22-pentax-camera-field-accessories/256288...-extender.html
The best $A25 I ever spent.

I agree it's not so bad being "stuck" with "just" a K-3.

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Weird. I was pretty sure he had said that he wasn't sure in a couple of other places but I can't find them right now.
Yes might be more in this thread: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/323221-petition-...eries-k50.html

Are you around @Adam? What's the story?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Des Quote
The popup flash v GPS battle goes on. For me, I just love the despised popup on the K-3, because of this:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/22-pentax-camera-field-accessories/256288...-extender.html
The best $A25 I ever spent.

I agree it's not so bad being "stuck" with "just" a K-3.

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Yes might be more in this thread: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/323221-petition-...eries-k50.html

Are you around @Adam? What's the story?
I too have a k-3 and purchased it at a time when only a small amount more would have netted the k-3ii, however I preferred keeping the pop up flash.
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I am extremely happy with my new K-70/55-300mm RE purchase. I have loved my storm trooper K-50 and will keep it as a spare body, but the new combo is clearly better now that I have had a chance to test it. The one thing I haven't yet been able to get to work is pixel shift. Even shooting from a tripod my outside wooden staircase seems to lead to too much motion. That said, the new 55-300mm is clearly optically superior to the older SMC DAL version I have, focuses much faster, doesn't hunt anywhere near as much, and is silent.

Here is a 100% crop (not reduced with pentaxforum software) of the jumping trout I posted above. Note the trout is just jumping into a water blob! I hadn't noticed that on the lesser crop. The red spotting is now easy to see as well even on jpg. The trout is about 25 to 35 meters away (80-110 feet) and is about a foot long or so.
To be honest this picture is sharp enough but not that sharp neither. To me it look similar in picture quality than the HD55-300 I have. Basically at 300mm 50% crop look perfect and sharp as can be but 100% look a bit soft. But in a sense if it was perfect at 300mm 100%, nobody would ever buy a 60-250.

HD DA55-300 on K3









A 100% crop is available in attachment.

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To be honest this picture is sharp enough but not that sharp neither. To me it look similar in picture quality than the HD55-300 I have. Basically at 300mm 50% crop look perfect and sharp as can be but 100% look a bit soft. But in a sense if it was perfect at 300mm 100%, nobody would ever buy a 60-250.

HD DA55-300 on K3
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I agree they are close. But in tests I have done reading the small text on some oil tanks 1760 meters from my front steps, the text is at the edge of readability for my copy of the SMC DAL version at 300mm versus just clearly readable for my PLM RE at 300mm (pixel shift off). As well, adding the current 1.4x converter just increases the blur for my SMC DAL at a full 300mm whereas the text gets larger and a bit more readable for the PLM RE.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jgnfld Quote
I agree they are close. But in tests I have done reading the text on some oil tanks 1760 meters from my front steps, the text is at the edge of readability for my copy of the SMC DAL version at 300mm versus just clearly readable for my PLM RE at 300mm (pixel shift off). As well, adding the current 1.4x converter just increases the blur for my SMC DAL at a full 300mm whereas the text gets larger and a bit more readable for the PLM RE.
Being able to use the 1.4 on the new 55-300 makes it that much more attractive.... mind you, with a one copy sample of both, it's possible someone else could do the same test with a different result. The difference being, with a sample of even one, we know it's possible that the new one is noticeably sharper. We don't know that it will ver turn out that someone has a copy of the older one that won't find it sharper than the new one. We have to leave room to think it could happen just as a speculation.
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
Being able to use the 1.4 on the new 55-300 makes it that much more attractive....
My comment applies ONLY to fine detail at a full 300mm. I haven't tested at other fl's.

But yes, at 300mm, I agree.
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My comment applies ONLY to fine detail at a full 300mm. I haven't tested at other fl's.

But yes, at 300mm, I agree.
With a DA*60-250, I'm probably not much concerned about the other focal lengths, as much as 300, and 420 with the 1.4. I'm looking for a small lightweight telephoto to pair with my 18-135, on hikes and canoe trips. To me, it would practically perfect for that. My Sigma 18-250 and 70-300 both proved to be too weak in the long end to be worth carrying.
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
. . . mind you, with a one copy sample . . .
The single sample syndrome is always an issue, especially with lenses.

E.g., the DA 50-200 doesn't have a stellar reputation and as an economical kit lens one would expect compromises in the images it produces. By coincidence I once had three copies of that lens in hand for direct comparison. Two lenses produced results typical of the mediocre reputation of that lens.

A third, however, was obviously an example of the best that could be expected of that design - in the top 2-percent of the class IMO regarding sharpness across the field and contrast. Interestingly, it was the least impressive from a cosmetic standpoint and showed the an advantage over the others with a Pz-AF 1.4x TC too.

Not a DA* by any stretch of imagination but definitely a pick-of-the-litter and, yes, I still have it. One wonders how many "kit lenses" might fall into this superior category but are never heard about simply because they either aren't expected to excel or those that are satisfied with consumer 'kit-class' lenses don't recognize the higher quality -- we do hear about the other end of the spectrum in much greater detail however.

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The single sample syndrome is always an issue, especially with lenses.

E.g., the DA 50-200 doesn't have a stellar reputation and as an economical kit lens one would expect compromises in the images it produces. By coincidence I once had three copies of that lens in hand for direct comparison. Two lenses produced results typical of the mediocre reputation of that lens.

A third, however, was obviously an example of the best that could be expected of that design - in the top 2-percent of the class IMO regarding sharpness across the field and contrast. Interestingly, it was the least impressive from a cosmetic standpoint and showed the an advantage over the others with a Pz-AF 1.4x TC too.

Not a DA* by any stretch of imagination but definitely a pick-of-the-litter and, yes, I still have it. One wonders how many "kit lenses" might fall into this superior category but are never heard about simply because they either aren't expected to excel or those that are satisfied with consumer 'kit-class' lenses don't recognize the higher quality -- we do hear about the other end of the spectrum in much greater detail however.
That in itself is an interesting point. If you're committed to what the lens has to offer, are you committed enough to return a few copies to eventually get a copy you'll be happy with?
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
With a DA*60-250, I'm probably not much concerned about the other focal lengths, as much as 300, and 420 with the 1.4. I'm looking for a small lightweight telephoto to pair with my 18-135, on hikes and canoe trips. To me, it would practically perfect for that. My Sigma 18-250 and 70-300 both proved to be too weak in the long end to be worth carrying.
You could try the DA* 200 with the 1.4x that gives you 18-135, 200, and 280. Not quite as much reach but much more compact and light than the 60-250 or the DA 300. I'll admit it is reputedly not as sharp with the 1.4x as the DA300 without the 1.4x so there is that consideration as well. But it does give you an option besides the 55-300 variants.
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You could try the DA* 200 with the 1.4x that gives you 18-135, 200, and 280. Not quite as much reach but much more compact and light than the 60-250 or the DA 300. I'll admit it is reputedly not as sharp with the 1.4x as the DA300 without the 1.4x so there is that consideration as well. But it does give you an option besides the 55-300 variants.
We have a lot of trips where, we have out of shape clients, they aren't going to help us much with their gear. Our camera gear gets trimmed to one or two lenses. In those situations it's always been the 18-250. I can take the 18-135 and one other lens if it fits in my pelican case, the one that tucks under my seat to be available for wildlife. Niether the 200 or 60-250 are small enough. It's actually the Sigma 18-250 I'm trying to replace here.
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We have a lot of trips where, we have out of shape clients, they aren't going to help us much with their gear. Our camera gear gets trimmed to one or two lenses. In those situations it's always been the 18-250. I can take the 18-135 and one other lens if it fits in my pelican case, the one that tucks under my seat to be available for wildlife. Niether the 200 or 60-250 are small enough. It's actually the Sigma 18-250 I'm trying to replace here.
When totally retracted, shut down, and locked down for the bag the 55-300RE is about 9.5cm (3.75in) on the camera. Significantly shorter than the old 55-300 variants.
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We have a lot of trips where, we have out of shape clients, they aren't going to help us much with their gear. Our camera gear gets trimmed to one or two lenses. In those situations it's always been the 18-250. I can take the 18-135 and one other lens if it fits in my pelican case, the one that tucks under my seat to be available for wildlife. Niether the 200 or 60-250 are small enough. It's actually the Sigma 18-250 I'm trying to replace here.
Ahhhh... gotcha. I assume you do not want to carry an M43 camera either? These would have the best reach for the lightest weight/size with reasonable IQ that I can think of. They have everything from 14-140/150 lenses to 45-200 long zooms or even 100-300 all much lighter/smaller than the current gear (but with ISO and IQ compromises...) I personally don't know what I would do in your shoes. Most of my high IQ work is done with K-3 and Pentax lenses but occasionally I dip a toe in elsewhere.
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The issue there would be we are already stretching the limits of low light performance.
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We have a lot of trips where, we have out of shape clients, they aren't going to help us much with their gear. Our camera gear gets trimmed to one or two lenses. In those situations it's always been the 18-250. I can take the 18-135 and one other lens if it fits in my pelican case, the one that tucks under my seat to be available for wildlife. Niether the 200 or 60-250 are small enough. It's actually the Sigma 18-250 I'm trying to replace here.
To me the 55-300 is more a 55-200mm lens with a TC to go up to 300mm in term of quality. At 100% it is good up to 190mm-200 where the max apperture is f/4.5. of course even at 200 it is not match for the DA*200, but it is still good.

Canon noticably make sharp 70-300, much better than our 55-300, more a fit to a 60-250, and consequently with similar price and size.

Canon 70-300 L is available for something like 1300$, its size is 89x143mm, so still small than DA60-250, and bigger than DA*200.

I get the impression that you'll not find something smaller/lighter than 55-300 with more reach/quality that would still be noticably smaller than DA*200...

I checked the m4/3 myself more than one time their 100-300 etc are not highend gear. They doesn't look like they give more than a 55-300 to me. They enlarge a bit more, so it look a bit softer, that it for me.
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