HD Pentax-D FA★ 25mm f/1.4 - 50mm f/1.4 - 85mm f/1.4 DC AW

Mistral75 · 09-10-2016, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

At any business that manufactures something to sell. They develop concepts, solicit investments, then manufacture and market the products.

It takes capital, and most businesses don't have buckets of cash lying about.

Hence partnerships. Do you think that Tokina alone could develop FIVE new prime lenses simultaneously and launch them within a year?

---------- Post added 09-10-2016 at 11:09 AM ----------

Originally posted by Racer X 69

Well he did say he was dreaming or something........

I shouldn't have written that. I only reported facts (including sources), then added some considerations about cost sharing and finally asked a question.

**clackers** · 09-10-2016, 03:58 AM

Mistral, can I suggest you retitle the thread with "(Speculation)" at the end.

It's very click-baity at the moment ... certainly disappointed me when I read the OP.

D1N0 · 09-10-2016, 04:11 AM - **2 Likes**

Which one would you pick?

Mistral75 · 09-10-2016, 04:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Mistral, can I suggest you retitle the thread with "(Speculation)" at the end.

It's very click-baity at the moment ... certainly disappointed me when I read the OP.

Point taken and thread retitled to avoid any disappointment: this was definitely not an announcement (nor a mere speculation

).

Nicolas06 · 09-11-2016, 06:00 AM - **1 Like**

This is even more mislading... The link between Tokina cine lenses and new Pentax DFA is based on past collaboration that for all we know ended a few years ago. All recent rebadge were tamron, that also has modern primes in its portfolio.

For all we know, Pentax could secretly discuss with Canon to buy some of their design. To me this is just a little less likely than what we have there. At least until we see a DFA50mm T 1.5 cine lens with Pentax brand.

As for releasing 5 lenses (over several years as the 25mm is not out) as such common focal length is not really a R&D challenge. many formula are now in the public domain and all manufacturers have past version of such focal lens (24, 35, 50, 85) and most often the difficulty is advanced blazing fast AF and keeping everything small than anything else.

Theses days where almost everybody with an optical degree make their own kickstarter I don't think we should think the design of huge classical prime a task of major difficulty or requiring lot of money.

**monochrome** · 09-11-2016, 08:11 AM - **2 Likes**

Why the bashing Mistral75? I think it's a good post and an interesting theory. I wasn't expecting anything, so I wasn't disappointed.

IMHO there will be three DFA* primes (24/2, 85/1.4, ?) and three nice DFA enthusiast primes, (two of which could be updates of the FA35/2 and FA50/1.4 in DFA garb, plus 28/2.8) over the next 12-18 months. Those three FL's are awfully coincidental

Arksonis · 09-22-2016, 05:11 AM

jusst one post to write a review

D1N0 · 09-22-2016, 05:16 AM

don't do this during Photokina!

angerdan · 01-04-2021, 05:56 AM

Finally, three lenses had been announced/devloped/produced by Pentax:

D FA 21 Limited is one of the three

Development update regarding the HD PENTAX-D FA★50mmF1.4 SDM AW - PentaxForums.com

KP custom，DFA*85/1.4 CP+ Exhibit - Page 14
HD Pentax-D FA★ 85mm f/1.4 SDM AW
HD PENTAX-D FA★ 85mm F1.4 SDM AW officially announced on European Ricoh Imaging sites
Official sample photos of DFA 85 F1.4 from Pentax
DFA 85mm f/1.4 Now on Ricoh's Website

D1N0 · 01-04-2021, 06:22 AM

These Tokina Cine primes are different designs from Pentax and also from the Tokina 50mm 1.4 Opera which is the design of the Pentax D FA* 50/1.4. Being manual focus and much more expensive they are clearly aimed at the professional market. Tokina doesn't need to sell many to make a profit. Design is easier because no lens motors or electronics are involved. All automation is handled by external gearing.

promo video:

Youtu.be

gatorguy · 01-04-2021, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

These Tokina Cine primes are different designs from Pentax and also from the Tokina 50mm 1.4 Opera which is the design of the Pentax D FA* 50/1.4. Being manual focus and much more expensive they are clearly aimed at the professional market. Tokina doesn't need to sell many to make a profit. Design is easier because no lens motors or electronics are involved. All automation is handled by external gearing.

Informative post. I did not know cinema lenses were cheaper to produce.

Clarifying for those who didn't know: The Tokina Opera design was licensed from Pentax who created it so they could produce it for other mounts. On other sites they have sometimes been confused and claim Tokina developed it for Pentax, so just a Tokina knockoff.

D1N0 · 01-04-2021, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

I did not know cinema lenses were cheaper to produce.

I didn't say that. They are probably assembled by hand to very tight tolerances. Not cheap. Design is easier in the sense that no compromises have to be made to enable a fast AF motor incorporated in the lens. Also the wide bodies allow for more room to house the lens elements.

gatorguy · 01-04-2021, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I didn't say that. They are probably assembled by hand to very tight tolerances. Not cheap. Design is easier in the sense that no compromises have to be made to enable a fast AF motor incorporated in the lens. Also the wide bodies allow for more room to house the lens elements.

My sincere apologies for initially reading too quickly. Thanks for pointing that out.

angerdan · 07-26-2022, 05:52 AM

The Pentax D FA* 50mm is developed by Pentax and licensed to Tokina:
Ricoh public DFA*50/1.4 patent in Japan - PentaxForums.com

09-11-2016, 06:00 AM - 1 Like	#35
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	This is even more mislading... The link between Tokina cine lenses and new Pentax DFA is based on past collaboration that for all we know ended a few years ago. All recent rebadge were tamron, that also has modern primes in its portfolio. For all we know, Pentax could secretly discuss with Canon to buy some of their design. To me this is just a little less likely than what we have there. At least until we see a DFA50mm T 1.5 cine lens with Pentax brand. As for releasing 5 lenses (over several years as the 25mm is not out) as such common focal length is not really a R&D challenge. many formula are now in the public domain and all manufacturers have past version of such focal lens (24, 35, 50, 85) and most often the difficulty is advanced blazing fast AF and keeping everything small than anything else. Theses days where almost everybody with an optical degree make their own kickstarter I don't think we should think the design of huge classical prime a task of major difficulty or requiring lot of money. Last edited by Nicolas06; 09-11-2016 at 06:07 AM.

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by Racer X 69 At any business that manufactures something to sell. They develop concepts, solicit investments, then manufacture and market the products. It takes capital, and most businesses don't have buckets of cash lying about. Hence partnerships. Do you think that Tokina alone could develop FIVE new prime lenses simultaneously and launch them within a year? ---------- Post added 09-10-2016 at 11:09 AM ---------- Originally posted by Racer X 69 Well he did say he was dreaming or something........ I shouldn't have written that. I only reported facts (including sources), then added some considerations about cost sharing and finally asked a question.

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clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Mistral, can I suggest you retitle the thread with "(Speculation)" at the end. It's very click-baity at the moment ... certainly disappointed me when I read the OP.

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by clackers Mistral, can I suggest you retitle the thread with "(Speculation)" at the end. It's very click-baity at the moment ... certainly disappointed me when I read the OP. Point taken and thread retitled to avoid any disappointment: this was definitely not an announcement (nor a mere speculation ).

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Why the bashing Mistral75? I think it's a good post and an interesting theory. I wasn't expecting anything, so I wasn't disappointed. IMHO there will be three DFA* primes (24/2, 85/1.4, ?) and three nice DFA enthusiast primes, (two of which could be updates of the FA35/2 and FA50/1.4 in DFA garb, plus 28/2.8) over the next 12-18 months. Those three FL's are awfully coincidental

09-22-2016, 05:11 AM	#37
Arksonis New Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1	jusst one post to write a review

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angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Finally, three lenses had been announced/devloped/produced by Pentax: D FA 21 Limited is one of the three Development update regarding the HD PENTAX-D FA★50mmF1.4 SDM AW - PentaxForums.com KP custom，DFA*85/1.4 CP+ Exhibit - Page 14 HD Pentax-D FA★ 85mm f/1.4 SDM AW HD PENTAX-D FA★ 85mm F1.4 SDM AW officially announced on European Ricoh Imaging sites Official sample photos of DFA 85 F1.4 from Pentax DFA 85mm f/1.4 Now on Ricoh's Website

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gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by D1N0 These Tokina Cine primes are different designs from Pentax and also from the Tokina 50mm 1.4 Opera which is the design of the Pentax D FA* 50/1.4. Being manual focus and much more expensive they are clearly aimed at the professional market. Tokina doesn't need to sell many to make a profit. Design is easier because no lens motors or electronics are involved. All automation is handled by external gearing. Informative post. I did not know cinema lenses were cheaper to produce. Clarifying for those who didn't know: The Tokina Opera design was licensed from Pentax who created it so they could produce it for other mounts. On other sites they have sometimes been confused and claim Tokina developed it for Pentax, so just a Tokina knockoff.

01-04-2021, 07:45 AM	#42
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by gatorguy I did not know cinema lenses were cheaper to produce. I didn't say that. They are probably assembled by hand to very tight tolerances. Not cheap. Design is easier in the sense that no compromises have to be made to enable a fast AF motor incorporated in the lens. Also the wide bodies allow for more room to house the lens elements.

01-04-2021, 09:34 AM	#43
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by D1N0 I didn't say that. They are probably assembled by hand to very tight tolerances. Not cheap. Design is easier in the sense that no compromises have to be made to enable a fast AF motor incorporated in the lens. Also the wide bodies allow for more room to house the lens elements. My sincere apologies for initially reading too quickly. Thanks for pointing that out.

07-26-2022, 05:52 AM	#44
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	The Pentax D FA* 50mm is developed by Pentax and licensed to Tokina: Ricoh public DFA*50/1.4 patent in Japan - PentaxForums.com