Need prime lens suggestion for K1

hcc · 12-13-2016, 02:58 AM

+1 for the FA77mm. The colour rendering of the FA77mm is fabulous, especially for portrait.

Last edited by hcc; 12-13-2016 at 09:18 AM.

normhead · 12-13-2016, 08:31 AM

Given that the 77 was voted the best Pentax lens ever by the forum, it's predictable what the answer is. I'd put up a counter argument, but in this case I don't really have one. The only reason I don't have a 77 is because I have a Sigma 70 macro, and I love macro capability for walking around, and, I don't shoot many portraits.

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 11:00 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by 1r0nh31d3

I think you should make a choice between landscapes and portraits. You have the 24mm-70mm and all the lenses you've listed save the 77mm are in the range of the 24mm-70mm. What exactly are you hoping to get out of this prime that the 24mm-70mm isn't giving you?

That being said if I could only choose one lens off your list it would be the 31mm or the 43mm.

I want something extremely sharp and great clarity. Even though the 24-70mm is a good lens and good walk around it does not have the specific qualities of a prime. Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras. I have a K3-II and the 20-40mm and it out performs the 24-70mm I use on my K1 in some ways even though it is not a prime. Just would love to have a prime like for portraits and specific landscape moments for my full frame K1
. Maybe I am asking to much, but the 300mm Pentax Prime lens both on my K3-II and K1 compels one to want a prime because primes rock for specific applications.

---------- Post added 12-13-16 at 12:21 PM ----------

I just want to thank all of you MadMathMind, lr0nh31d3, UncleVanya, Lithedreamer, Clackers, bpv-uw, surfar, Tas, redcat, Leekil, Sandy Hancock, robthebloke, hcc and normhead for taking the time to express your opinions. Really food for thought! I know I am in a flux at the moment about a prime lens for my K1. The K1 is a blessing but I was more at peace with my K3-II and need to get through the learning curve with my K1 and all of its potential. Thanks again

surfar · 12-13-2016, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by mhsp1948

need to get through the learning curve with my K1 and all of its potential. Thanks again

Thank you for acknowledging the suggestions....Personally, I'm still working my way thru my lens collection and interestingly the K1 makes some that I thought were just OK on the k50/k-01 into a better result....glad I haven't sold some and realise there are some that will get moved on.

OP, good luck in your search.

normhead · 12-13-2016, 11:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mhsp1948

Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras.

No lens is. Yet, you get better images of them on the sensor size they were designed for.

Lenses are different on different size sensors, different fields of view etc. I wouldn't listen to any of that unless someone can show me in their images what they are talking about. It could easily be something that's important to them that isn't at all important to me.

You know they said the Limiteds are not as good on FF, but maybe that's because they are trying to use it like it was the same as using it on APS-c. 70 on APS-c is 100 on a K-1.

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Thank you for acknowledging the suggestions....Personally, I'm still working my way thru my lens collection and interestingly the K1 makes some that I thought were just OK on the k50/k-01 into a better result....glad I haven't sold some and realise there are some that will get moved on.

OP, good luck in your search.

Thanks sufar

---------- Post added 12-13-16 at 12:52 PM ----------

Originally posted by normhead

No lens is. Yet, you get better images of them on the sensor size they were designed for.

Lenses are different on different size sensors, different fields of view etc. I wouldn't listen to any of that unless someone can show me in their images what they are talking about. It could easily be something that's important to them that isn't at all important to me.

You know they said the Limiteds are not as good on FF, but maybe that's because they are trying to use it like it was the same as using it on APS-c. 70 on APS-c is 100 on a K-1.

You make an interesting argument indeed normhead, I really appreciate this feed back, it keeps me from jumping into a purchase I would be sad about later. I am thinking I would like the 77mm due to how I like to take candid portraits as well as staged ones. Anyway, I am going to take a deep breath and I have an Albinar Lens Adapter for M42 Universal Screw Mount Lens to Pentax K PK Camera Body so I can try my 58mm f/1:2 Hellios and 50mm f/1:8 Hellios lens and see what happens.

normhead · 12-13-2016, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras.

Any FF lens you have that you were using on APS-c will be better on FF. By the time you've reduced the images to APS-c size they will be better, if they aren't already full size. My FA 35-80 hardly a lens with a great rep is aweome on my K-1.

Or as jsherman used to say, your worst lens on FF is better than your best lens on APS-c.

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 12:17 PM - **2 Likes**

Good to hear normhead. I have nothing to compare against sense a year and a half ago I sold all my Canon cameras and lens, and bought a K3-II, 20-40mm, 16-85mm and the 300mm Prime, and just a month ago bought my K1 and the 24-70mm. Here is a photo from the K3-II 16-85mm WR.

**clackers** · 12-13-2016, 12:27 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

Or as jsherman used to say, your worst lens on FF is better than your best lens on APS-c.

He could be "full of it", couldn't he?

Sharpness, field curvature and vignetting of all lenses is worst away from the centre.

APS-C only uses the best half of the lens.

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 12:28 PM - **1 Like**

Now that said here are three photos just taken in the last couple of weeks with the K1 and the 24-70mm

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 12:37 PM - **1 Like**

Two more photos a portrait hand held and a night landscape on a tripod with the K1 and the 24-70mm

---------- Post added 12-13-16 at 01:48 PM ----------

Interesting comment clackers

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 07:26 PM - **2 Likes**

Maybe I don't actually have a problem and really don't need an extra lens at this time. I took this photo of the last painting my dad painted before he died representing his life as a person who made his living painting art. It is a personal expression of his life on canvas as he saw the life he lived. I did this in the room where it hangs on the wall with only two light bulbs behind me and little bit to my right. Put up a screen to block the direct light so it would not reflect off the painting. I used my Pentax K1 with the Pentax 24-70mm f/2.8 lens and my settings were ISO 100 55mm f/10 20sec. I thought it turned out good.

noelpolar · 12-13-2016, 07:42 PM

Seriously, just accept that in the end you will have 5-8 Pentax primes..... so don't sweat it.... just get on with it! (primes are like kids.... you never add up the total cost)

**mhsp1948** · 12-13-2016, 07:48 PM

Thanks for that comment noelpolar

**lithedreamer** · 12-13-2016, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by mhsp1948

Maybe I don't actually have a problem and really don't need an extra lens at this time. I took this photo of the last painting my dad painted before he died representing his life as a person who made his living painting art. It is a personal expression of his life on canvas as he saw the life he lived. I did this in the room where it hangs on the wall with only two light bulbs behind me and little bit to my right. Put up a screen to block the direct light so it would not reflect off the painting. I used my Pentax K1 with the Pentax 24-70mm f/2.8 lens and my settings were ISO 100 55mm f/10 20sec. I thought it turned out good.

It doesn't look like your 24-70 is holding you back. Do you feel like it's holding you back in a particular dimension?

12-13-2016, 11:00 AM - 2 Likes	#18
mhsp1948 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Mississippi Photos: Gallery Posts: 617 Original Poster	Originally posted by 1r0nh31d3 I think you should make a choice between landscapes and portraits. You have the 24mm-70mm and all the lenses you've listed save the 77mm are in the range of the 24mm-70mm. What exactly are you hoping to get out of this prime that the 24mm-70mm isn't giving you? That being said if I could only choose one lens off your list it would be the 31mm or the 43mm. I want something extremely sharp and great clarity. Even though the 24-70mm is a good lens and good walk around it does not have the specific qualities of a prime. Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras. I have a K3-II and the 20-40mm and it out performs the 24-70mm I use on my K1 in some ways even though it is not a prime. Just would love to have a prime like for portraits and specific landscape moments for my full frame K1 . Maybe I am asking to much, but the 300mm Pentax Prime lens both on my K3-II and K1 compels one to want a prime because primes rock for specific applications. ---------- Post added 12-13-16 at 12:21 PM ---------- I just want to thank all of you MadMathMind, lr0nh31d3, UncleVanya, Lithedreamer, Clackers, bpv-uw, surfar, Tas, redcat, Leekil, Sandy Hancock, robthebloke, hcc and normhead for taking the time to express your opinions. Really food for thought! I know I am in a flux at the moment about a prime lens for my K1. The K1 is a blessing but I was more at peace with my K3-II and need to get through the learning curve with my K1 and all of its potential. Thanks again Last edited by mhsp1948; 12-13-2016 at 11:32 AM.

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12-13-2016, 02:58 AM	#16
hcc Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,002	+1 for the FA77mm. The colour rendering of the FA77mm is fabulous, especially for portrait. Last edited by hcc; 12-13-2016 at 09:18 AM.

12-13-2016, 08:31 AM	#17
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Given that the 77 was voted the best Pentax lens ever by the forum, it's predictable what the answer is. I'd put up a counter argument, but in this case I don't really have one. The only reason I don't have a 77 is because I have a Sigma 70 macro, and I love macro capability for walking around, and, I don't shoot many portraits.

12-13-2016, 11:33 AM	#19
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by mhsp1948 need to get through the learning curve with my K1 and all of its potential. Thanks again Thank you for acknowledging the suggestions....Personally, I'm still working my way thru my lens collection and interestingly the K1 makes some that I thought were just OK on the k50/k-01 into a better result....glad I haven't sold some and realise there are some that will get moved on. OP, good luck in your search.

12-13-2016, 11:39 AM - 1 Like	#20
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by mhsp1948 Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras. No lens is. Yet, you get better images of them on the sensor size they were designed for. Lenses are different on different size sensors, different fields of view etc. I wouldn't listen to any of that unless someone can show me in their images what they are talking about. It could easily be something that's important to them that isn't at all important to me. You know they said the Limiteds are not as good on FF, but maybe that's because they are trying to use it like it was the same as using it on APS-c. 70 on APS-c is 100 on a K-1.

12-13-2016, 11:47 AM	#21
mhsp1948 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Mississippi Photos: Gallery Posts: 617 Original Poster	Originally posted by surfar Thank you for acknowledging the suggestions....Personally, I'm still working my way thru my lens collection and interestingly the K1 makes some that I thought were just OK on the k50/k-01 into a better result....glad I haven't sold some and realise there are some that will get moved on. OP, good luck in your search. Thanks sufar ---------- Post added 12-13-16 at 12:52 PM ---------- Originally posted by normhead No lens is. Yet, you get better images of them on the sensor size they were designed for. Lenses are different on different size sensors, different fields of view etc. I wouldn't listen to any of that unless someone can show me in their images what they are talking about. It could easily be something that's important to them that isn't at all important to me. You know they said the Limiteds are not as good on FF, but maybe that's because they are trying to use it like it was the same as using it on APS-c. 70 on APS-c is 100 on a K-1. You make an interesting argument indeed normhead, I really appreciate this feed back, it keeps me from jumping into a purchase I would be sad about later. I am thinking I would like the 77mm due to how I like to take candid portraits as well as staged ones. Anyway, I am going to take a deep breath and I have an Albinar Lens Adapter for M42 Universal Screw Mount Lens to Pentax K PK Camera Body so I can try my 58mm f/1:2 Hellios and 50mm f/1:8 Hellios lens and see what happens.

12-13-2016, 11:58 AM	#22
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Quote: Little depressing that the limited lens are noted by some not to be as good on the K1 as on crop cameras. Any FF lens you have that you were using on APS-c will be better on FF. By the time you've reduced the images to APS-c size they will be better, if they aren't already full size. My FA 35-80 hardly a lens with a great rep is aweome on my K-1. Or as jsherman used to say, your worst lens on FF is better than your best lens on APS-c.

12-13-2016, 12:27 PM - 2 Likes	#24
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by normhead Or as jsherman used to say, your worst lens on FF is better than your best lens on APS-c. He could be "full of it", couldn't he? Sharpness, field curvature and vignetting of all lenses is worst away from the centre. APS-C only uses the best half of the lens.

12-13-2016, 07:42 PM	#28
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Seriously, just accept that in the end you will have 5-8 Pentax primes..... so don't sweat it.... just get on with it! (primes are like kids.... you never add up the total cost)

12-13-2016, 07:48 PM	#29
mhsp1948 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Mississippi Photos: Gallery Posts: 617 Original Poster	Thanks for that comment noelpolar

12-13-2016, 07:58 PM	#30
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by mhsp1948 Maybe I don't actually have a problem and really don't need an extra lens at this time. I took this photo of the last painting my dad painted before he died representing his life as a person who made his living painting art. It is a personal expression of his life on canvas as he saw the life he lived. I did this in the room where it hangs on the wall with only two light bulbs behind me and little bit to my right. Put up a screen to block the direct light so it would not reflect off the painting. I used my Pentax K1 with the Pentax 24-70mm f/2.8 lens and my settings were ISO 100 55mm f/10 20sec. I thought it turned out good. It doesn't look like your 24-70 is holding you back. Do you feel like it's holding you back in a particular dimension?