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02-18-2017, 06:17 AM   #31

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QuoteOriginally posted by yipikaye Quote
I know it sounds contradicting (bokeh and macro and 20-40).

I want a quality wide angle lens (considering 20-40mm) for general everyday photography. As you've mentioned for city, architecture, landscape....

It's winter here. In late autumn I bought a motorcycle. Won't be able ride it until may.
I'd very much like to combine riding and photography. 20-40mm is kind of also "what your eyes see" lens.

I also want bokeh and macro capable lens because it's just fun to play with. Even at the comfort of ones home there're plenty of stuff to shoot macro.

But still, my priority of purchase would be a wide-angle lens.
Then DA15 or DA21 for WA. If you like it wide DA15 would be best, if you want an all around, DA21 would be nice. They can both be cheap used, especially the DA21. 21mm or 20mm is less opinionated but not going as low as 15mm is going to be really annoying at time. I do just fine with DA15 + FA31 on most outing to cover wide to normal.

Depending if macro if for small objects and walk around then DA35 f/2.8 or insects (DFA100 macro). But the last one while smaller than alternative already take some place in the bag.

Finally FA77 by far for bokeh and portraiture if you go DA35 f/2.8 as macro or maybe DA/FA50 if you go DFA100 as macro.

I guess that DA20-40 can replace the 21 at the price of costing much more and being much bigger but being zoom and WR. DA20-40 + DFA100 macro would be a quite capable overall set too.

Beside I tried macro for fun and all the stuff but I still prefer FA31 than DA35 macro and now after having the macro for some time, I don't feel the need for it anymore.

Otherwise really why not that tamron 17-50 f/2.8 + DFA100 macro? The tamron cheap light and would cover most WA need as well as some reasonable bokeh and DFA100 macro would take any long tele need + macro.

Last edited by Nicolas06; 02-18-2017 at 06:22 AM.
02-18-2017, 01:50 PM   #32

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QuoteOriginally posted by yipikaye Quote
HD DA20-40mm and FA 43mm MIJ. Both used, great condition. Each costs - 500EUR. If I was to pick one?
(FA limited is tempting).

Oh the possibilites of the combos DA15; FA43; DA70 vs. DA20-40 + 77mm vs. DA15 DA20-40 DA70
personally i find fa43 on apsc a strange focal length. My pick would be da20-40, but the 20-40 & fa43 would almost serve a different purpose. I think the FA31 would be a better choice as alternative for the da20-40 since it behaves as +-45mm on apsc (which was the intended focal of the FA43..) a nice 'normal' focal length.

Nicolas pointed out something interesting. The rendering.. maybe a decisionmaker as well..
FA31 rendering is really nice. Not sure how the rendering of the DA20-40 is.

Seriously, i don't think you can do wrong with any of those lenses. You just have to start somewhere i guess ;-)
02-18-2017, 01:59 PM - 1 Like   #33
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Shooting Pentax since my first Spotmatic in 1971, and digital since 2005,I have a lot of gear, more than I can use.
You seem to be on a budget.

If so, you should first check which wide angle focal length suits you best by using your kit DA 18-55. It is an entry level lens, but yet a good one, capable of delivering nice pictures; it has pleasing IQ, better if you correct its aberrations, either in-camera if you shoot JPEG, or using a lens profile in computer PP. Using your 18-55, you will also appreciate the accuracy and convenience of AF.

You could do what many photography professors recommand: set your 18-55 zoom on a selected focal length, and shoot your subject with this focal length. You can even stick the zooming ring with adhesive tape!

Try 18, 20, 21, 31, 35, 40, 43, it will give you a very good idea of what the matching prime will deliver. The prime will be sharper, of course, but stopped f8, DA 18-55 is already quite sharp..The main difference will be the prime will allow wider aperture, hence better subject isolation (more bokeh) at focal lengths longer than 30.

If 18 is too narrow, then you may appreciate the DA15. It is a very nice lens, small and with unique rendering, but really wide: it is a love or hate! As for me, I love it.

The focal lengths between 21 and 50 are the most useful IMO. 70/77 are already telephoto lenses on APS-C, excellent for portrait or details in landscapes or architecture.

DA 35-macro is a true macro which doubles as a very nice landscape and general purpose lens. But remember that macro in the field is limited by your ability to come very close and be steady much more than by the lens performance. It is almost impossible to go to 1/1 ratio without a tripod.

I have the DA limiteds 15, 21, 35 Macro, 70, and the 40XS, they are very nice lenses but rather expensive. The difference between kit DA 18-55 and a bunch of limited primes is like the difference between a basic Chevrolet or Toyota and a upper model Audi, Mercedes or Porsche: all these cars will drive you to destination in about the same time, but it wont be the same experience....

The full frame limited FA31, FA43 and FA77 are even more expensive. My son Nicolas06 has already told you how all these lenses behave. I also have DA35 f2.4, and FA50 f1.7, which I bought used, and both are very good.

Cannot speak for the DA20-40 limited but I have the DA 17-70 f4 zoom, it is very good lens, sharp, and faster than most entry level zooms at the long end. Big and heavy, too IMO, hence I often go with DA 18-135 (not so good IQ, but lighter, smaller, more versatile for my way of shooting).

To sum it up: possibilities are infinite, it will be your decision, but you will soon see that 700$/ budget is not that much when it comes to buying lenses, and you better avoid to buy a lens that you wont use.

Last edited by Tatouzou; 02-18-2017 at 02:06 PM.

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