Thank you very much all of you for your very detailed and helpful answers. In this topic I only want to learn and be sure about the relation between DOF-Aperture-Focal length, I'm not specifically talking about other things that also determine image quality (bokeh, contrast, etc), and also I'm not intending to do lenses comparison
Originally posted by clickclick I think there's a lot of confusion regarding DOF on FF versus crop. The DOF of a specific lens at a certain aperature at a certain distance from the subject is going to be the same regardless of the image sensor size. Where I think people get hung up on this is if you're moving the lens forward or backwards to frame the same area of the subject to account for the difference in what you see framed with FF versus crop, you will change the DOF in the process. If you stay in one position and change lenses to have the same framing or field of view going between FF and crop, you'll change the perception of DOF because you've changed the lens, and the DOF of the different focal lengths will be different. So while the actual DOF of an object 10 feet away for a 70mm at 2.4 will always be the same regardless of the sensor size, if you start changing the distance of the lens to the subject - get closer with the 70 on FF to get the same field of view as the 70 on crop let's say, then you'll "change" the perception of DOF, and this case, it will get "narrower".
Hope I said that in a way that makes sense
So let me summarize my understanding of what you said:
- If I shoot an object 5m away with a 70mm at f2.4, I will get a certain amount of background blurry
- If I change to a 50mm, also at f2.4, and move torward the object to have the same FOV as previous one, the amount of background blurry will increase because I move closer to the object?
If that is true then I think the argument of "choosing a longer lens will give more blurry background" is not valid because I can always move closer with a shorter lens (of course this doesn't take anything of distortion, colour, contrast etc into account)
- The "FF camera gives shallower DOF than ans APSC one" is not directly true, it is infact due to change in distance between the camera and the object in order to maintain the same composition.
In that case, one of the argument I read on the Internet, as why people won't consider a M4/3 camera, because of limited DOF choice as compared with APSC, or FF, I think is also not valid, because I can always move closer, with a wider lens if I'm using a M4/3 camera, to achieve the same DOF effect, no?
Also this leads to my last question: does FF camera doesn't have any advantage over APSC regarding FOV,? Is a picture taken with a 20mm on a FF camera the same as taken with a 14mm on APSC? (If we leave resolution and ISO out of the equation?)
---------- Post added 08-16-17 at 08:12 AM ----------
Originally posted by Lowell Goudge
What depth of field calculators do not do, is give you any idea of the rendering of the out of focus area or bokeh. This is far more important that depth of field on its own, and generally is "nicer" with longer focal lengths, because the out of focus points appear as big blobs, compared to small circles (or what ever shape your aperture is)
Also consider when shooting portraits, it is as important to control the subject to background distance and background pattern as it is to control depth of field
Thank you, this is good to know
---------- Post added 08-16-17 at 08:16 AM ----------
Originally posted by Wasp It took me a while to get my head around the crop versus full frame thing as far as DOF goes. Yes, the focal length of a lens goes up by 1.5 when you put it on an APS-C camera body. But you also "gain" depth of field because of the smaller image - roughly one f/stop. This means that a 50mm f/1.4 lens will take about the same pictures as a 75mm f/2 on a full frame.
This explains why cell phone cameras have such enormous depth of field - it is down to the teeny tiny sensor. It also explains why a medium format camera is not easy to focus manually - bigger image, less DOF.
Another APS-C vs. 35mm example - a 200mm f/2.8 becomes a 300mm f/4 and not a 300mm f/2.8. As far as DOF goes anyway. The extra light from a faster aperture is still yours to take advantage of. Hope I have it right and that this helps.
Thank you. And to be sure, the change you mentioned is based on the condition that I don't change my position, right?