Originally posted by D1N0 I would take the reviews (and the averaged vote) with a grain of salt.
I've seen some very poor lenses get a 9 or a 10!
I love focal lengths in the 80/90mm range, especially on film or digital full frame, and I own/owned most of the lenses mentioned in this thread, plus a couple more.
Never tried the 1.8/85mm series K, nor the optically identical SMC Takumar, but short time ago I purchased the older Auto Takumar with "cocking ring": different optical formula, very well built, but definitely softer than more modern objectives. It's a nice M42 vintage portrait lens, nothing more... and of course I agree with your criticism: it should have its own review page!
I owned the 85mm series M at the time of the LX, and sold it quite soon, to buy the A Star 1.4/85mm with electric contacts.
The M was a perfect example of the entire line. Small, good image quality, still well made... a fine, very portable lens.
The A Star is superior in many ways, with its OOF rendition and nice bokeh, but it's also not the kind of lens you'd bring with you all the times. It's a huge lump of glass and metal! Price and availability could also discourage most people, not sure I'd buy it at the current prices
The Samyang shares with the A* ease of use and speed. The presence of electric contacts allows for easy fill-in flash using P-TTL.
I own the first version, which is supposedly a little less sharp, though it should also show less fringing.
Price vs performance, it's probably the best compromise... that is, if you don't request top mechanical build, or an inconspicuous, easy to transport objective
All my Samyang lenses are among the best primes I own, considering their respective focal/speed. The 85mm is as good as the others, IMHO.
I don't fully understand why it doesn't enjoy the level of consideration it deserves. Maybe we are all a bit snobbish, but we should better wake up to the new reality: "korean lens=bad lens" is an equation that doesn't apply anymore.
I confess I'm not using my Samyang 1.4/85mm very much. I'm shooting mostly full frame now (Pentax K-1), and I use the lenses in this focal range mostly for portraits. Both the A* and the Samyang are too sharp, even wide open. If I still had the Pentax-M it would be too sharp as well, and it wouldn't allow to throw a background out of focus the same way a faster lens does. The advantage in size would be secondary, I use big fast primes and my bag is huge...
My current favorite for sharp-ish portraiture is a Leitz Canada Summicron 2/90mm, used on focusing helicoid for Viso, mounted on a leitaxed Viso-to-R adapter. When I prefer a softer rendition, so I go for a 100mm triplet. My two favorites:
Steinheil Cassarit 3.5/100mm (still cheap, tiny, but needs a M42 adapter... so away with the tiny screw and spring, now the adapter is firmly screwed to the lens)
Meyer Trioplan 2.8/100mm (beautiful softness, bubble bokeh, but it doesn't come cheap!; I chose to go for the N version, which comes only in Exakta mount, and have it adapted to PK)
Of the many 85mm in M42 mount, one is still available on Ebay in new/like new conditions. It's the Helios 40 1.5/85mm.
Some say it's great, others say it's rubbish.
I think it's a matter of expectations, not sample variation
If you browse the internet looking for pictures made with this lens, you can get an idea...
I own the old "silver" version. Bought it in amazing conditions, with the M39 to M42 adapter, and adjusted for perfect infinity focus.
It is huge, and heavy! And too nice for its age (1961), to be considered a "user lens". It never leaves home for too long
Though I like to travel with vintage primes, I just don't think the Helios 40 is made for it.
Right now I'm thousands Km away from home, and as I had in mind to take plenty of portraits, I brought with me the Summicron, the Trioplan, the tiny Cassarit, and a Soligor (Tokina made) 2/135mm.
Never owned, or tried, the 77mm Limited.
I'd be very happy to test it, at least once, but I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I didn't buy the lens when it was sold in the USA for cheaper than current 2nd hand adjudication prices, and now it's probably too late. Can't justify the expense. Of course many forum users would not agree, but we all know that the definition of "value" is very, very personal
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