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09-27-2017, 09:20 AM   #1
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Dilemma with wide angle lens - Landscape photography

Hello guys,
So I have upgraded from my APS-C sensor ( K3II ) to K1 for better DR on my landscape photography. Last week I went on 20- hike in Mount Rainier here in Washington. The terrain was very difficult to take and my heart was about to jump out of my chest along the way.
Here is the list of equipment I took with me:

1- Manfrotto Camera Backpack for Hiking – MB-OR-BP-30
2- MeFOTO Classic Carbon Fiber Globetrotter Travel Tripod/Monopod Kit
3- Pentax K1 attached on Cotton Carrier 635RTL Camera Vest
4- Pentax 15-30, 24-70, 28-105
5- Nisi 100mm filter system ( GND, big stopper ) / Marumi Super DHG CPL and B+W UV filter for each cameras except 15-30
6- few snacks, water etc

So when I was using my K3II, my lenses were Pentax 16-50 and Sigma 10-20 both of which accept 77mm filter so it was easy to use one system for all. Now with K1, 15-30 has its own system ( I have't purchased any ) , but have Nisi 100mm system for the rest. So here is my set up:
on 24-70 and 28-105, I had my Marumi CPL all the time and never used Nisi until I wanted to freeze the water with big stopper. The problem I came across with was switching between these three. There were times that I really needed 15-30 and times 24-70 was suffice, but most of the time I used 28-105 due to size,flexibility and more reach on long end. Obviously, if 28-105 was 24-105, then, I would n't need 24-70, but there were situations where extra 4mm view would give an amazing perspective and composition to the image. Now the biggest dilemmas are carrying 3 lenses
( I still need to carry something like 60-250 or my 70-200 for those cascade image ) and different filter system. I carry the camera on Cotton carrier, I am able to walk about with 15-30 on K1 but it's SUPER tight to turn to the side to put it on or get it out of the groove on Cotton Carrier. I have the the Nisi 100 which covers all the way up to 86mm ( If I not mistaken ), but for Pentax 15-30, I need to purchase another round of filter ( Nisi, Haida, Lee , Wonderpana etc ) and carry two filter systems with me which is not ideal but necessary.

So to summarize:

1- Need to switch between the lenses many times
2- My Nisi filter system doesn't work for all ( 15-30 needs it own ) ** I was told I could get wonderpana 150 and adapter so I could use on smaller filter, but that is additional investment on filter system.
3- 3 lenses with some overlaps ( still need longer telephoto lens to carry ) - heavy backpack to hike for miles

For those of you doing landscape and using any of these lenses or are in similar situation, can you please share with me your thoughts and feedback?

Thanks,
Reza


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09-27-2017, 09:54 AM   #2
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For landscapes, the 24-70 seems redundant with your other lenses Just bring the 28-105 and optionally 15-30. I never need f2.8 for daytime landscapes, and the 15-30 suffices for night astro+landscapes.

My hiking kit is based around the 28-105. I use small screw-in filters in a filter wallet: CPL, 10-stop ND, and a variable ND.

If I expect to need wider than 28mm and carrying weight isn't a major limitation, then I bring the 15-30. I use it without filters. CPL gives weird skies on ultrawide. For ND long exposures, the K-1 has a multiple exposure shutter mode that can simulate the effect. Graduated ND can be done with 2 exposures and Photoshop layers. Yes, there are some filter effects that can't be replicated, but it hasn't limited me.

When I have too much other stuff to carry the 15-30, I can crop the corners off the tiny DA 15 Limited. It's 22.5mm equivalent on the K-1 in crop mode, but I always use full frame DNG in camera and crop later to get wider when needed. Edges aren't perfectly sharp but they are usable.
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Ditto what DeadJohn said. I just completed three weeks in Western/Northern Australia. I took the 28-105, a Tamron cheapie 70-300 and 14mm Rokinon, plus ND and polarizers. I had no need for anything else, at least for my style of shooting. The vast majority of my shots were captured with the 28-105.
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The 28-105 doesn't go to 24mm, but the 15-30 does. Carrying both the 24-70 and the 28-105 seems to be completely redundant to me.

My current kit in Alaska is a sigma 10-20 f3.5, 20-40 limited, DA*50-135, a takumar 200mm f4, Super-tak 55 f1.8, and a SMC-K 2x teleconverter. I feel like this kit gives me everything and anything I need to shoot anything from the northern lights to big wildlife, though I would like to replace the 200 with a 2.5 or a * 2.8 version and maybe the TC with the HD 1.4x, and add a couple faster AF primes.

I could easily get by with the ultra wide and the tele-zoom, plus a middle range normal prime, to keep a lighter kit. So for the K-1, the 15-30, 70-200 or modded 60-250, and the 43mm Limited. Or go even lighter with the 15-30, the 43 and 77 limiteds, and a 135 and/or 200mm prime. While I tend to use zooms for composition in landscapes, I am almost always using one extreme or the other of the zoom range. Actually I'd probably go with the 70-200/60-250, 43, 31, and find a A or FA 20mm, but I'm very tele-centric with my work.

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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
My hiking kit is based around the 28-105. I use small screw-in filters in a filter wallet: CPL, 10-stop ND, and a variable ND.
Thanks for your note. What 10-stop ND and variable ND do you use?

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QuoteOriginally posted by skierd Quote
The 28-105 doesn't go to 24mm, but the 15-30 does. Carrying both the 24-70 and the 28-105 seems to be completely redundant to me.
Thanks for your note. The problem is I do not have filter with 15-30. Yes it goes all the way to 30 which partially covers 24-70, but there were situations where I needed to freeze the water and 24mm had better composition that my 28 and I needed 10-stop ND filter. With my Nisi 100 system, I am able to use it on both 82mm and 67mm system, but not on 15-30. Perfect situation would have been something like Sony 16-35 f4 with 72mm filter thread, but we don't have such.

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I was thinking of DA 15, but again the problem will be those freezing situations where I need 10 stop filter. Also with GND filters and step up ring, I noticed when I use larger filter for instance 77mm on my 49mm filter thread, it's really hard to use soft GND, where most of the transition section on the filter covers the large diameter of the image.
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If I need to hike very far I try to travel relatively light unless there is a specific need for the bulkier, heavier stuff.
If I'm going far (like the summit of Kilimanjaro, for example) I carry a crop kit with a sealed zoom and maybe a couple of small primes for specific purposes (like extra wide or very low light).

If I'm carrying the K-1 I probably don't plan to hike for more than a few hours. I typically take a Tamron 28-75/2.8 as the main walkaround lens which is nice and small for that range and aperture. To supplement it I'll bring a Rokinon 14mm for UWA and maybe a longer zoom or prime if wildlife or a telephoto landscape might be appropriate. The 15-30 is a great lens but I don't often hike very far with it; it's Just too bulky and heavy for that.
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If I need to hike very far I try to travel relatively light unless there is a specific need for the bulkier, heavier stuff.
If I'm going far (like the summit of Kilimanjaro, for example) I carry a crop kit with a sealed zoom and maybe a couple of small primes for specific purposes (like extra wide or very low light).

If I'm carrying the K-1 I probably don't plan to hike for more than a few hours. I typically take a Tamron 28-75/2.8 as the main walkaround lens which is nice and small for that range and aperture. To supplement it I'll bring a Rokinon 14mm for UWA and maybe a longer zoom or prime if wildlife or a telephoto landscape might be appropriate. The 15-30 is a great lens but I don't often hike very far with it; it's Just too bulky and heavy for that.
I used to carry my K-1 with Tamron 28-75mm until I purchased the Pentax 28-105 and then 15-30 for extra wide reach.
I was thinking the same about taking my K3II with couple of crop kit lenses for my hiking trip to Alaska, but then I ask myself what's the whole purpose of buying K-1 and FF lenses if I still use the same old system for my landscape photography during long trips/hike.

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I don't work with filters very often, nor do I have the 15-30. Wouldn't whatever solution you get for the 15-30 work with your other lenses as well? Yes I agree it sucks to buy something after you've already bought it before.

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A 24mm Sigma Superwide F2.8 and Pentax 28-105 is my landscape kit.
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Something like a Tokina 19-35mm F/3.5-4.5 takes 77mm filters... That and just the 28-105mm, maybe? Just a thought...
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My hiking kit for the K-1 consists of the FA 20-35 f/4, the DFA 28-105 and possibly the DA*60-250. I carry 62mm filters with an adapter from 58mm for the 20-35. I also have a 67mm polarizer for the 60-250.

Granted the 20-35 is not nearly as wide as the 15-30 but I generally do not shoot that wide anyway, 20mm has always been enough for my style.
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QuoteOriginally posted by skierd Quote
I don't work with filters very often, nor do I have the 15-30. Wouldn't whatever solution you get for the 15-30 work with your other lenses as well? Yes I agree it sucks to buy something after you've already bought it before.

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Nisi 150 system has adapter where I could use it on smaller filter thread but then I am putting on 150mmx150mm on 62mm filter. With that huge set, you can't leave it on the lens and hike like regular screw-in ones.

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QuoteOriginally posted by surfar Quote
A 24mm Sigma Superwide F2.8 and Pentax 28-105 is my landscape kit.
I do have Sigma 24mm f1.7 ( quite odd ) with 77mm filter thread which I was thinking to take next time along with 28-105 instead of 15-30. Thanks for your thought.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Doundounba Quote
Something like a Tokina 19-35mm F/3.5-4.5 takes 77mm filters... That and just the 28-105mm, maybe? Just a thought...
I think that would work instead of 15-30, but I don't have Tokina

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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
My hiking kit for the K-1 consists of the FA 20-35 f/4, the DFA 28-105 and possibly the DA*60-250. I carry 62mm filters with an adapter from 58mm for the 20-35. I also have a 67mm polarizer for the 60-250.

Granted the 20-35 is not nearly as wide as the 15-30 but I generally do not shoot that wide anyway, 20mm has always been enough for my style.
20-35 would work well for me. I might need to look into it. Thanks.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentax_WA Quote
I used to carry my K-1 with Tamron 28-75mm until I purchased the Pentax 28-105 and then 15-30 for extra wide reach.
I was thinking the same about taking my K3II with couple of crop kit lenses for my hiking trip to Alaska, but then I ask myself what's the whole purpose of buying K-1 and FF lenses if I still use the same old system for my landscape photography during long trips/hike.
With your choices I'd bring the 28-105 and K-1 and maybe a wide prime unless I was going really far. I almost bought that zoom for Kilimanjaro but decided to take less valuable stuff just in case I got robbed. As it turned out I only almost got robbed!
I tend to bracket rather than use filters which also lightens my load.
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So I did a quick test to see how my DA limited 15mm would do on K-1 in crop mode vs K3II

First image on K-1 and the second on K3II --- K1 JPG 8.1MB RAW 21.7MB K3II JPG 11.6Mb RAW 31.0MB - Obviously lot sharper on K3II. On K-1 FF mode, it gets severe vignette almost look like fish eye. 24mp vs 15 makes a big difference in crop mode.





So DA 15 is out unless I carry two camera on my trip ;(

K-1 with 24mm. I still think Pentax K3II image is bit sharper. JPG 18.8MB, RAW 43.6mb


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For me its a few combis.

M20/4
FA31ltd
DA77ltd


Samyang 14
K28/3.5
FA50/1.4 (or 77ltd)


There's not much choice but to get the larger 150mm filter and holders if you want to use a ND filter.
Its a large initial cost, but you really only need a 6-stop or 10-stop to start with.
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