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08-30-2008, 11:10 AM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
much easier said than done, and this goes for everything.
Good point. I'll buy that...

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Learn to appreciate the capabilities and get the most out of what you have, then you'll appreciate the results you get.[/QUOTE]

Agree, I'll buy that...
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The solution: be a grown-up LBA who knows the limits[/QUOTE]


Agreed, I'll buy that too. Uh-oh, I'm worse off than I thought...Damn BA!!!!...
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I don't remember the source, but I recall an interview with a financial planner who's claim to fame was helping star athletes who do not have a good grip on expenditure control. One of his clients, I think he was a basketball player, called him and said "I'm at this store and I'm looking at a $4,000 watch. Do you think I should get it?" The adviser asked him what time the watch said it was and he told him. The adviser said "mine says the same thing and it cost $50. PUT THE WATCH DOWN." I try to think about that when I consider purchasing anything costly.

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"Compulsive shopping disorder" (also known as "compulsive buying disorder") is a VERY real psychological disorder that can be just as addictive -- and as destructive -- as addiction to alcohol, drugs, or high-stakes gambling.
I really have to take strong exception to the above statement. I wonder how many deaths were caused (yesterday, last week, last month, last year, pick one) by "Compulsive shopping disorder". Divorces, bankruptcies, and yes even a few deaths I am sure. But, as destructive -- as addiction to alcohol, drugs. I don't think so.
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It is common for sufferers to wind up with closets or rooms filled with unwanted purchases (one study participant had purchased more than 2,000 wrenches; another owned 55 cameras..."Compulsive shopping leads to serious psychological, financial and family problems including depression, overwhelming debt and the breakup of relationships,"
I am reminded of the facts in the case of G***** H****. On Christmas Eve, 1992 G***** was drinking at Bar in New Mexico. He got in his vehicle, probably in a blackout, drove east in the westbound lane of I40, and killed a mother and her 3 teenage daughters. I checked just before writing this post, and G***** is still serving a 22 year sentence. I remember my friend Richard who began drinking after 5 years of sobriety and died by his own hand. I remember my friend Scott who died of an overdose of "Recreational and Prescription Drugs". There were John (alcohol) and Ben (heroin) and so many others. My own story could have easily been that of G***** H****. I'll take LBA rather than Alcoholism any day, and take my chances that I won't kill (murder) you while driving after entering my bid on Ebay for that Super Takumar 85mm, or sending a large order to B&H.
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I really have to take strong exception to the above statement. I wonder how many deaths were caused (yesterday, last week, last month, last year, pick one) by "Compulsive shopping disorder". Divorces, bankruptcies, and yes even a few deaths I am sure. But, as destructive -- as addiction to alcohol, drugs. I don't think so.
Very true, short of one's spouse opening up the credit card bill when it arrives and proceeding to kill them for running up the credit card balance so high, LBA hasn't killed anybody that I'm aware of. Needless to say, whether it's shopping, drugs, alcohol, gambling, porn, etc., addictions to have the capability of killing relationships between people. In the long run, the people we share our lives with are the most precious things that we have, not our stuff and to throw our loved ones away in the name of an addiction, whatever it is, is a very sad thing.

BTW, I've been keeping up with the DPReview thread and for those of you who haven't, the OP of that thread did come clean with his wife about the issue; of course she got mad and gave him a lecture, but then she forgave him and pledged her support to help him get out of his mess.

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QuoteOriginally posted by hwblanks Quote
Very true, short of one's spouse opening up the credit card bill when it arrives and proceeding to kill them for running up the credit card balance so high, LBA hasn't killed anybody that I'm aware of. Needless to say, whether it's shopping, drugs, alcohol, gambling, porn, etc., addictions to have the capability of killing relationships between people. In the long run, the people we share our lives with are the most precious things that we have, not our stuff and to throw our loved ones away in the name of an addiction, whatever it is, is a very sad thing.

BTW, I've been keeping up with the DPReview thread and for those of you who haven't, the OP of that thread did come clean with his wife about the issue; of course she got mad and gave him a lecture, but then she forgave him and pledged her support to help him get out of his mess.

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Heather and everyone: There's nothing wrong with collecting things. Many of us collected pennies or stamps or baseball cards in our youth - and sometimes paid for them when necessary.

My wife (novelist doing research) just spent three hours with a man who collected all 36 lithographs of some Civil War illustrated folio. There are only two complete collections known, and it took him 40 years to get them all. They are conserved in a special collection at a University here. Does he have an addiction?

Collecting lenses - if COLLECTING them - is a perfectly acceptable aspect of our hobby. Good collecting, though, requires research, planning, a budget and self-discipline - and a realistic understanding of the psychology of having things, just like good BUYING of modern lenses for hobby or professional use. Good collecting requires learning the history of your collection and having a reason to own what you own - so as a collector you actually enrich yourself through study.

I took 3 lenses on a recent trip to Washington DC - FA35/2, FA50/1.4 and DA55~300. In theory I should not own anything else because that kit covers all the FL's I use and I'm not good enough to get the benefit of Limiteds.

Playing with your collection can be part of the collecting hobby. I have a significant number of K lenses and a KX and MESuper. They get less use than the modern stuff, but they DO get used. Compulsive hoarding without playing can be a bad thing, especially when it causes hardship.

I've sold or am selling everything that doesn't get used and only buying specific, pre-planned lenses. I have a spreadsheet, and I know within a few dollars how much I have invested in this stuff - you'd be surprised how little it is for all the lenses I have.

I'm in the Buying Moratorium group just to see if I can do it, because I know whatever lens I don't buy will come up again in a few months anyway (except the FA*200 Macro - God help us all if one of those appears out of nowhere) and it will give me an incentive to really work on photography rather than dreamtography.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote

I'm in the Buying Moratorium group just to see if I can do it, because I know whatever lens I don't buy will come up again in a few months anyway (except the FA*200 Macro - God help us all if one of those appears out of nowhere) and it will give me an incentive to really work on photography rather than phodreamgraphy.
Do you have a URL for the Buying Moratorium group? I just bought a Moratorium...

Well said. When anything holds a reasonable position in our lives, it is an enhancement and a blessing.

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Good evening everyone,

I am the person that the OP is refering to in DPreview forums. At some other time I would have never read threads like this, but now Im on the oposite side. I only search for threads like this and informative one about how to use the camera, lens, software I have. I run from gear threads. Right or wrong this was my first measure to fight the problem.
Secondly, some other time I would have fought you with all my heart accusing you of being wrong. Today, even if some coments were painfull and struck my damaged ego, I will say you are right and I was totally blind. I simply took this hobby by the wrong prisma. Hopefully, Im starting all over again with the right interests.
Third, I talked to my wife and it was the best I could have done. She always pull me back from the moon (yes, Im a dreamer) and makes me see the real perspective of things.
Next, I have used credit cards since I can remenber and never paid an interest on anything over years. I also run the familly business and deal with considerable amounts of money on a daily basis. This just to say that I always had a grip on myself in the past and always managed to stay within budget, whatever the interests were. So I really dont know what happened and nobody is free of finding him or herself in a similar situation whatever the matter is. I would usually lesson to the stories about gamblers and so on, nod my head and think how was that possible? Today, even if my issue is not that severe (fortunetly) I will see those sort of problems in a diferent perspective and with some more respect.
All other issues regarding my story had been discussed here and in DPreview and there is nothing more I can say because it is as it is and I was wrong. So I wont justify myself in any sort. There is no need for that.
Finally, I know I will be very happy with what I had left (by the way it is indeed the M50 but also the Jupiter 9) and will finally concentrate on the real stuff.

Thank you very much for your support, opinions, criticism... all of that has also helped me see thinghs more clearly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by coloseu Quote
Good evening everyone,

I am the person that the OP is refering to in DPreview forums. At some other time I would have never read threads like this, but now Im on the oposite side. I only search for threads like this and informative one about how to use the camera, lens, software I have. I run from gear threads. Right or wrong this was my first measure to fight the problem.
Secondly, some other time I would have fought you with all my heart accusing you of being wrong. Today, even if some coments were painfull and struck my damaged ego, I will say you are right and I was totally blind. I simply took this hobby by the wrong prisma. Hopefully, Im starting all over again with the right interests.
Third, I talked to my wife and it was the best I could have done. She always pull me back from the moon (yes, Im a dreamer) and makes me see the real perspective of things.
Next, I have used credit cards since I can remenber and never paid an interest on anything over years. I also run the familly business and deal with considerable amounts of money on a daily basis. This just to say that I always had a grip on myself in the past and always managed to stay within budget, whatever the interests were. So I really dont know what happened and nobody is free of finding him or herself in a similar situation whatever the matter is. I would usually lesson to the stories about gamblers and so on, nod my head and think how was that possible? Today, even if my issue is not that severe (fortunetly) I will see those sort of problems in a diferent perspective and with some more respect.
All other issues regarding my story had been discussed here and in DPreview and there is nothing more I can say because it is as it is and I was wrong. So I wont justify myself in any sort. There is no need for that.
Finally, I know I will be very happy with what I had left (by the way it is indeed the M50 but also the Jupiter 9) and will finally concentrate on the real stuff.

Thank you very much for your support, opinions, criticism... all of that has also helped me see thinghs more clearly.

well stated, and welcome to the forum. You'll find many friends here, and probably more than a few who find themselves in situations similar to yours.

On the bright side, your M 50 and Jupiter-9 are excellent lenses, truly, and you'll be able to enjoy photography just as much with them as with any high-priced lens. Trust me


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hey Gian Luca, thanks for dropping by.
i think we all commend you for your courage in admitting the problem and coming out with it

although it is common to flaunt lenses the photos are the most important part

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About the photos...

Indeed, as someone well stated in here, I was a gear poster and never a photo poster. But there was a reason for this and, of course, it was not because I wouldnt take pictures. Of course, even if I got caught in the gear frenesin, I always took pictures. Maybe not as as much as I should but still...
I never posted because:
First: I am mostly a portrait shooter, especially of my familly and in particular my little daughter. So, I guess it is of no interest to nobody that I post my familly pictures. Also, I recently started a thread on DPreview because of the posting or not posting familly pictures in a open forum, but that is another story. Nevertheless Ido not feel very confortable in doing so. Forgive me ifmy perspective is wrong.
Second: I always had the impression, at least in DPreview that photo threads were not very popular with almost no replies. When so, the criticism, sometimes not very healthy, feroce and even ofensive. And I must admit with pictures I couldnt see anything wrong. So I always felt descouraged by that. Also because I know Im not very gifted or skilled and unfortunetly would certainly atract negative coments. So lets say Im scared of posting pictures even if of landscapes and other ocasional stuff.
Maybe Im wrong but I was just trying to explain that I didnt bought stuff to have them in the cabinet. It is very diferent to state what I have said that is, I wouldnt keep a lens long enough to learn it, therefore a useless experience in the end in my opinion. At least one should use a lens heavily for at least a year to get to know its strongs and weekness. Sometimes I wouldnt keep one for more than 2 weeks... how could I learn anything?
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Gian,
Something you might consider is expanding your photography horizons. Since you live in a big city, street and/or architecture photography are definite possibilities. If you go over to the "Post your photos" section and take a look at what other people have been posting; you may find yourself inspired to try something new.

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Do you have a URL for the Buying Moratorium group? I just bought a Moratorium...

Well said. When anything holds a reasonable position in our lives, it is an enhancement and a blessing.
Here's the link to it:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/mini-challenges-games/35970-lba-challenge...-possible.html

In my ranting about excessive lens buying, I wasn't targeting the collectors that consider each lens a unique and special jewel in his or her collecton. A true collector does have a plan for what he or she wants to get and has a good reason for buying each lens (awesome IQ, rarity, etc.).

The main people I'm targeting are those who buy on a whim, buy what they really can't afford, and continue to buy, even though they're not using what they already have.

For those who do actually collect lenses, I'd like to see more postings on the subject of lens collecting--lenses worth collecting, thought processes that collectors go through when making decisions on what to buy, etc. Perhaps there could be a subgroup of the Lens group called the Collector's Club or Collector's Corner.

Just my thoughts...
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QuoteOriginally posted by coloseu Quote
Good evening everyone,

I am the person that the OP is refering to in DPreview forums. At some other time I would have never read threads like this, but now Im on the oposite side. I only search for threads like this and informative one about how to use the camera, lens, software I have. I run from gear threads. Right or wrong this was my first measure to fight the problem.
Secondly, some other time I would have fought you with all my heart accusing you of being wrong. Today, even if some coments were painfull and struck my damaged ego, I will say you are right and I was totally blind. I simply took this hobby by the wrong prisma. Hopefully, Im starting all over again with the right interests.
Third, I talked to my wife and it was the best I could have done. She always pull me back from the moon (yes, Im a dreamer) and makes me see the real perspective of things.
Next, I have used credit cards since I can remenber and never paid an interest on anything over years. I also run the familly business and deal with considerable amounts of money on a daily basis. This just to say that I always had a grip on myself in the past and always managed to stay within budget, whatever the interests were. So I really dont know what happened and nobody is free of finding him or herself in a similar situation whatever the matter is. I would usually lesson to the stories about gamblers and so on, nod my head and think how was that possible? Today, even if my issue is not that severe (fortunetly) I will see those sort of problems in a diferent perspective and with some more respect.
All other issues regarding my story had been discussed here and in DPreview and there is nothing more I can say because it is as it is and I was wrong. So I wont justify myself in any sort. There is no need for that.
Finally, I know I will be very happy with what I had left (by the way it is indeed the M50 but also the Jupiter 9) and will finally concentrate on the real stuff.

Thank you very much for your support, opinions, criticism... all of that has also helped me see thinghs more clearly.
Well, I think you came to the right place - there are two main places to post photos here, the 'post your photos' section and here in the SLR lens section. This section is more lens-specific - we talk about the lens used, and the photos are meant to show what that particular lens can do - very useful for someone considering getting that particular lens.

We have the "M-club" and the "Soviet lenses club" here, and those would be ideal places to post images from your lenses. We have all levels of experience posting, so in no way should you feel that your images are of no interest - just the opposite is true. I've posted so many photos of my little guy that I'm sure people here are sick of seeing him, but I don't care!


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