Are you fed up using Aluminum Foil shooting Takumar Lenses ?

Ronald Oakes · 03-08-2018, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

You are "listening" for it to move the aperture lever in a K-mount lens and stop the thing down, but on a m42 it doesn't do anything because there is no aperture lever and you need to stop it down yourself before you hit the green button so you'll get the right reading for that aperture. So -- completely silent, nothing is moving. (A K-mount stays wide-open until you hit the button, and then stops it down for a second to take the reading. That's the whole reason you need the button since they refuse to read it mechanically like on the old film bodies.)

---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 08:13 PM ----------

I guess if you have a lens that shorts the contacts or you trick it with foil, you might hear the attempt to move the aperture lever even though it doesn't actually do anything. I don't think any of my m42s are conductive unless I made them so with foil tape -- the only time I've done that is if I wanted to use them with the AFA 1.7x adapter, which does require shorted contacts to get the auto-focus going.

Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol
And Ive gone and spent at least $75 bucks on a rather unique "idea" to sell a machined adapter that shorted the contacts on my Tak's.......lol.

Last edited by Ronald Oakes; 03-08-2018 at 06:37 PM.

vonBaloney · 03-08-2018, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Ronald Oakes

Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol

You feel foolish, but your life is slightly better than it was 30 minutes ago. So you got that going for you...

HelenJo · 03-08-2018, 06:25 PM

Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something.
Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ?

vonBaloney · 03-08-2018, 06:29 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by HelenJo

Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something.
Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ?

Just another example of a man not listening to a woman until a guy tells him the same thing. And on International Women's Day too! So many lessons you're learning today!

Ronald Oakes · 03-08-2018, 06:31 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by HelenJo

Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something.
Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ?

Yes Miss Helen it was......Just when I think that I have something significant to contribute also.....lol

---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 07:33 PM ----------

Originally posted by vonBaloney

Just another example of a man not listening to a woman until a guy tells him the same thing. And on International Women's Day too! So many lessons you're learning today!

Oh Geeeze......I'm "Toast" now......lol.
Maybe I will just go drink a Beer and head to.....well.........somewhere ......that's secluded and quiet.

---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 07:39 PM ----------

I will just leave this Thread and Poll.....as an example of a Man making an Arse out of himself.....lol

sqrrl · 03-08-2018, 06:54 PM - **1 Like**

I've been using adapted lenses for years with a k10, k50, & kp. For me it's worked fine, m42, k mount, and even with plastic mounts like holga lenses.

I've never heard of this trick with the foil.

Ronald Oakes · 03-08-2018, 06:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sqrrl

I've been using adapted lenses for years with a k10, k50, & kp. For me it's worked fine, m42, k mount, and even with plastic mounts like holga lenses.

I've never heard of this trick with the foil.

I may be mistaken .....yet Again...... however I believe it was a K-30 problem with Tak's that started it all.

**clickclick** · 03-08-2018, 07:06 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Ronald Oakes

Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol

I wouldn't give it a second thought. You're just helping all us other nuts out there realize we're not alone!

Not a Number · 03-08-2018, 09:19 PM - **1 Like**

FYI the aperture actuator moves on my K10D when pressing the green button in M mode with M42 lenses and even with no lens mounted at all.

Shorting the contacts, or more specifically the "data" pin, is an issue when using non-"A" K-mount lenses or extension tubes with non-conductive lens mounts. If the lens or tubes lack a lever then it is not an issue.

Shorting the contacts may be needed in order to use catch-in-focus on some bodies. I think the jury is still out on this one.

SpecialK · 03-08-2018, 09:45 PM - **2 Likes**

I use it all on my hat. They're coming, you know...

Wolfeye · 03-09-2018, 07:44 AM

*shrugs* Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1.

**clickclick** · 03-09-2018, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Wolfeye

*shrugs* Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1.

Don't give up on the K-1 or others over the M series. I find I get pretty good results with my old M glass and using the green button in manual mode. I also have to admit that once the K-1 bug bites, you'll probably be after different glass anyway.

**monochrome** · 03-09-2018, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Wolfeye

*shrugs* Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1.

I haven’t heard this one. Can you link me? My manual lenses seem fine on K-1.

Not a Number · 03-09-2018, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

I haven’t heard this one. Can you link me? My manual lenses seem fine on K-1.

It's the old Eeyores™ complaint of not uncrippling the K-mount on the K-1. Too lazy to use the green button or EV "needle-match" metering.

**pepperberry farm** · 03-09-2018, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Not a Number

It's the old Eeyores™ complaint of not uncrippling the K-mount on the K-1. Too lazy to use the green button or EV "needle-match" metering.

so, the same procedure for metering on the K-3, works on the K-1...

gosh, that's difficult....

View Poll Results: If an inexpensive adapter were availible eliminating Aluminum Foil , would you buy ?
I Dont care / Irrelevant to me	16	47.06%
Continue using Aluminum foil or tape on my Takumars	10	29.41%
Buy a inexpensive $25 adapter for my Takumars if Availible	6	17.65%
I use a different method shooting Takumar Lenses	5	14.71%
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03-08-2018, 06:31 PM - 2 Likes	#20
Ronald Oakes Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,585 Original Poster	Originally posted by HelenJo Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something. Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ? Yes Miss Helen it was......Just when I think that I have something significant to contribute also.....lol ---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 07:33 PM ---------- Originally posted by vonBaloney Just another example of a man not listening to a woman until a guy tells him the same thing. And on International Women's Day too! So many lessons you're learning today! Oh Geeeze......I'm "Toast" now......lol. Maybe I will just go drink a Beer and head to.....well.........somewhere ......that's secluded and quiet. ---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 07:39 PM ---------- I will just leave this Thread and Poll.....as an example of a Man making an Arse out of himself.....lol Last edited by Ronald Oakes; 03-08-2018 at 06:43 PM.

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03-08-2018, 06:15 PM	#16
Ronald Oakes Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,585 Original Poster	Originally posted by vonBaloney You are "listening" for it to move the aperture lever in a K-mount lens and stop the thing down, but on a m42 it doesn't do anything because there is no aperture lever and you need to stop it down yourself before you hit the green button so you'll get the right reading for that aperture. So -- completely silent, nothing is moving. (A K-mount stays wide-open until you hit the button, and then stops it down for a second to take the reading. That's the whole reason you need the button since they refuse to read it mechanically like on the old film bodies.) ---------- Post added 03-08-18 at 08:13 PM ---------- I guess if you have a lens that shorts the contacts or you trick it with foil, you might hear the attempt to move the aperture lever even though it doesn't actually do anything. I don't think any of my m42s are conductive unless I made them so with foil tape -- the only time I've done that is if I wanted to use them with the AFA 1.7x adapter, which does require shorted contacts to get the auto-focus going. Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol And Ive gone and spent at least $75 bucks on a rather unique "idea" to sell a machined adapter that shorted the contacts on my Tak's.......lol. Last edited by Ronald Oakes; 03-08-2018 at 06:37 PM.

03-08-2018, 06:17 PM	#17
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Originally posted by Ronald Oakes Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol You feel foolish, but your life is slightly better than it was 30 minutes ago. So you got that going for you...

03-08-2018, 06:25 PM	#18
HelenJo Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Sun City , Arizona. Posts: 72	Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something. Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ?

03-08-2018, 06:29 PM - 2 Likes	#19
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Originally posted by HelenJo Oh No Rony ! I told you that the contacts didnt need to be shorted on a Takumar this way. At least you learned something. Remember our discussion on the K-30 about this very thing ? Thats where you developed this idea if Im correct ? Just another example of a man not listening to a woman until a guy tells him the same thing. And on International Women's Day too! So many lessons you're learning today!

03-08-2018, 06:54 PM - 1 Like	#21
sqrrl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Otago, New Zealand Posts: 422	I've been using adapted lenses for years with a k10, k50, & kp. For me it's worked fine, m42, k mount, and even with plastic mounts like holga lenses. I've never heard of this trick with the foil.

03-08-2018, 06:58 PM - 1 Like	#22
Ronald Oakes Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,585 Original Poster	Originally posted by sqrrl I've been using adapted lenses for years with a k10, k50, & kp. For me it's worked fine, m42, k mount, and even with plastic mounts like holga lenses. I've never heard of this trick with the foil. I may be mistaken .....yet Again...... however I believe it was a K-30 problem with Tak's that started it all.

03-08-2018, 07:06 PM - 3 Likes	#23
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,904	Originally posted by Ronald Oakes Yuuuup ! Your Right ! I feel so foolish that Ive done this for all these years....You have NO idea just "how" foolish......lol I wouldn't give it a second thought. You're just helping all us other nuts out there realize we're not alone!

03-08-2018, 09:19 PM - 1 Like	#24
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	FYI the aperture actuator moves on my K10D when pressing the green button in M mode with M42 lenses and even with no lens mounted at all. Shorting the contacts, or more specifically the "data" pin, is an issue when using non-"A" K-mount lenses or extension tubes with non-conductive lens mounts. If the lens or tubes lack a lever then it is not an issue. Shorting the contacts may be needed in order to use catch-in-focus on some bodies. I think the jury is still out on this one.

03-08-2018, 09:45 PM - 2 Likes	#25
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,482	I use it all on my hat. They're coming, you know...

03-09-2018, 07:44 AM	#26
Wolfeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 782	shrugs Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1.

03-09-2018, 08:31 AM	#27
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,904	Originally posted by Wolfeye shrugs Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1. Don't give up on the K-1 or others over the M series. I find I get pretty good results with my old M glass and using the green button in manual mode. I also have to admit that once the K-1 bug bites, you'll probably be after different glass anyway.

03-09-2018, 09:16 AM	#28
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Wolfeye shrugs Sorta related - but the "we aren't going to support M lenses" kick in the teeth is the reason I was never interested in the K-1. I haven’t heard this one. Can you link me? My manual lenses seem fine on K-1.

03-09-2018, 11:48 AM	#29
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by monochrome I haven’t heard this one. Can you link me? My manual lenses seem fine on K-1. It's the old Eeyores™ complaint of not uncrippling the K-mount on the K-1. Too lazy to use the green button or EV "needle-match" metering.

03-09-2018, 01:16 PM	#30
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,766	Originally posted by Not a Number It's the old Eeyores™ complaint of not uncrippling the K-mount on the K-1. Too lazy to use the green button or EV "needle-match" metering. so, the same procedure for metering on the K-3, works on the K-1... gosh, that's difficult....