Originally posted by stevebrot I read the articles (both the FA 50/1.4 and the FA 43/1.9) and this is my take:
They really like the Tamron SP 45/1.8 and called it out in preference over both the FA 43 and FA 50/1.4 despite it not being available in K-mount
In the 50mm article they literally only say that the 45 is a better example of a macro at close to this focal length. The exact same type of comparison - on macro capability not image quality is made in the FA 43 article. In the Tamron's own review they call out color fringing, edge performance losses and that it is heavy for the size as cons. I never got the impression this lens was preferred over the K mount 43 or 50.
Originally posted by stevebrot I appreciate that the reviewer actually had the lenses in hand despite most of the review for both cameras reading like a spec sheet
Me too. I don't like meta reviews.
Originally posted by stevebrot I was surprised that the reviewer believes the FA 43 to be the oldest lens in current Pentax offerings (off by six years from the true oldest)
It's a fairly easy mistake to make.
Originally posted by stevebrot The recommendation of the FA 43 as editor's pick for the K-1 was by default. It was the only FF normal they had tested at that date.
I didn't look to see what else they reviewed but the commentary on the lens is quite positive:
Quote: The Pentax SMC FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited is just as much a gem today as it was when it was introduced nearly two decades ago. It's small, light, nicely built, and, most importantly, deadly sharp. You don't expect such a compact lens to capture images at f/1.9, or if you do, you expect quality to suffer when shot wide open, but this a lens you can shoot at any aperture without worry of quality loss. Simply put, the FA 43mm is one of the best lenses in the Pentax lineup.
Originally posted by stevebrot Apparently the minimum standard for FF resolution is flexible. For both Pentax lenses the number was 2200 l/ph regardless of aperture. For the favored Tamron, it was 1800 l/ph.
How We Test Digital Cameras | PCMag.com I can't say why they used another value in the Pentax reviews - perhaps the standards are evolving or this writer has changed over time to this standard? The standard the magazine uses is 1800 which the FA 43 easily exceeded.
Originally posted by stevebrot As noted in other comments above, I wondered if the reviewer had a bad copy of the FA 50/1.4. The center measurement at 1109 l/ph on the K-1 is far less than photozone got with the K10D (1669 for APS-C, uncorrected)*. Mind you, the FA 50/1.4 reputation for softness wide-open is very well-deserved, but I would not consider it to be THAT bad. Conversely, I wonder if the FA 43 used in the recent review on this site had similar problems. After seeing the test images here, I was not encouraged to purchase that lens.
This I can believe. The fact is multiple samples are never tested except by a few rare folks. However the consensus on the FA 50 even in the film era was that it was quite soft wide open - this never said otherwise. I don't think the lens at f/2.8 is a slouch at all. The wide open performance is very soft - which is a trait that can be leveraged for good artistic reason - but in today's world of brutal over sharp expectations it's worth understanding the limitations of this lens. At the same time - it might be worth someone with a copy they think is better to do the same Imatest work and show the results.
Originally posted by stevebrot Two images, one for each review (B&Ws) were done on film, though not documented as such...there are a (white) dust spots
The article for the 50mm says this right under the B&W... and while there is an image in the 43 review that "could" be film the type of shot it is makes me wonder if that spot is film or not. I'm unclear. The number of shots shown seems comparable to the other reviews however.
Originally posted by stevebrot If the FA 50/1.4 offers 1/3 stop aperture increments on the K-1, it has nothing to do with the lens
? Not sure if this is a complaint about the review, the reviewer uses many systems and seems familiar with Pentax mainly from Film Era - he appears to be one of the faithful who moved on mentioning his LX in the review of the FA 50. Perhaps he didn't think clearly about this wording.
Originally posted by stevebrot Both reviews were terse and liberally sprinkled with product hooks
That's how they pay for the site, like so many others. But sure these weren't the most detailed. I was happy to see them in a mainstream publication however.
Quote: To be clear once again, I am no huge fan of the FA 50/1.4, though I still wish I had bought one back in 2007 when they were less than $200 ($160 at lowest IIRC). The reason I didn't was that I already had an M 50/1.7 and was cash poor after buying K10Ds for both myself and my daughter. Which brings me back to the original post. My basic advice was to use the fast 50s at hand and to wait for the D FA* 50/1.4 if one must. The suggestion of the FA 50/1.4 was based on the fact that they are cheap and not that truly bad and readily available used in good condition to be sold for same. Truth be told, the D FA 24-70/2.8 on the OP's signature would be my preference at zero additional cost until the new lens debuts.
* Yes, I know, it is not good to compare Imatest results across formats/sensors
At the cost of a used FA 43 vs. a used FA 50 f1.4 I'm not sure, but I do agree either lens could be useful in the right hands. However, I'm shooting APS, and I have an F 50 f/1.7 already and no intention to get the FA 50 1.4. I do admire the DA 55 1.4 and the FA 43 (as my other thread mentioned) but I haven't got a K-1 to put either on at this time so my thinking is more APSC centric.
Overall I feel like we took two completely different views of this review. I felt it was fair and rational, and that the reviewer found the FA 43 to be more than adequate and the FA 50 to be fine from 2.8 on but very soft before then. As you said, the sample variation could be a problem.