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07-27-2018, 08:20 PM - 1 Like   #16
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Got the tracking number tonight. I'll post better photos when I get it. I have been in touch with Gerjan van Oosten, the guy that wrote the book, and he says he saw one on a Spotmatic II brochure many years ago. It was mounted on the camera on in the ad. He's never seen one in the wild.

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I have been in touch with Gerjan van Oosten, the guy that wrote the book, and he says he saw one on a Spotmatic II brochure many years ago. It was mounted on the camera on in the ad. He's never seen one in the wild.

I'm impressed that you're in direct touch with Gerjan van Oosten. Prices for his book are so high these days that I can't afford to buy a copy, but I keep hoping that one will turn up cheap in a charity shop somewhere.

I think the Takumar prototypes usually had 3 digit model numbers, so we're stuck in the realm of speculation until we know that crucial information for certain.
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I'm impressed that you're in direct touch with Gerjan van Oosten. Prices for his book are so high these days that I can't afford to buy a copy, but I keep hoping that one will turn up cheap in a charity shop somewhere.

I think the Takumar prototypes usually had 3 digit model numbers, so we're stuck in the realm of speculation until we know that crucial information for certain.
Don't be impressed. We aren't personal friends and I only know him through a facebook group. He's an extremely nice and helpful guy. Takumar Lens Collector & User Public Group | Facebook
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Here are todays arrivals (S-T 200mm f/3, S-T 135mm f/3.5, Identity problem 50mm f/1.4, and S-M-C 28mm f/3.5). I had to buy the whole lot last week just to get the 50mm. The 50mm f/1.4 (37902) is special because of the name plate. Instead of reading "Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR" it instead reads "Multi-Coated Super -Takumar". So the name plate wording is mixed up. Takumar should be capitalized if it is a Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR. It just came today and all I had prior to today were the fuzzy Ebay photos from the seller. So the product code is confirmed to be 37902. I had hoped (wished upon a star) that this could also have been a 37802 which would have been the Japanese domestic version with only 2,000 made. Gerjan van Oosten told me there were only 4,680 of these made and I assume that is the number with the error? He also told me he believes this is a pre-production model of the 37902 (Gerjan van Oosten)? Maybe that is why the nameplate is like it is? Somebody else told me it is just a misprint. I have no idea and wish I did. I'm still foggy on that and hope somebody can give me further details. Anyway, this was all pure accident. I spend about 4-5 hours a day on Ebay looking for things that might be rare and came across this. I have OCD so that explains the exorbitant amount of time on Ebay. So keep your eyes peeled! This was sold to me on Ebay by a camera store in Ohio.

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37802 is, I believe, a Super-Takumar, not a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar (aka Muli-Coated Super-Takumar).

In any event I will augment the information in our database with your find of this 37902 !

If you could provide a photo of the front, side and rear with a neutral (white or grey) background for the database that would be highly appreciated.
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QuoteOriginally posted by chazthebiker Quote
He also told me he believes this is a pre-production model of the 37902 (Gerjan van Oosten)?

If Gerjan van Oosten believes it's a pre-production 37902 then that's good enough for me, since he (literally) wrote the book on the subject.

I think you've got one of the most fascinating Takumar finds for a long time in your hands, and I really hope the story behind that unusual name ring is revealed someday. There's going to be a lot of collectors feeling mighty jealous about that lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ole Quote
37802 is, I believe, a Super-Takumar, not a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar (aka Muli-Coated Super-Takumar).

In any event I will augment the information in our database with your find of this 37902 !

If you could provide a photo of the front, side and rear with a neutral (white or grey) background for the database that would be highly appreciated.
I'll do that when the sun comes up here in Texas. Should I just post them right here or send via PM? Thank you. And yes, the Japanese model (37802) is a Super-Takumar. Still looking for one of those. I had hopes they had used one of those with the preproduction glass and added the "Multi-Coated" where it is to identify it. Since I could only see the 02 in the Ebay photos, I wasn't 100% sure until today. Great fantasy, though.


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You can post the images here or PM them. Or PM a link. Either way will work! Thanks!

Your thread made me look at my 50mm F1.4. It is a 37800, so not rare at all, I guess.
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37802 is, I believe, a Super-Takumar, not a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar (aka Muli-Coated Super-Takumar).

In any event I will augment the information in our database with your find of this 37902 !

If you could provide a photo of the front, side and rear with a neutral (white or grey) background for the database that would be highly appreciated.
Here you go: Wt = 265gr with caps. 255gr without caps. 37902 is not rare at all.
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QuoteOriginally posted by chazthebiker Quote
Here you go: Wt = 265gr with caps. 255gr without caps. 37902 is not rare at all.
Rare with that labeling though.
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Thanks for the images!
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QuoteOriginally posted by chazthebiker Quote
Here you go: Wt = 265gr with caps. 255gr without caps. 37902 is not rare at all.
Based on all the information so far, it seems like an early/prototype label for a typical S-M-C 50/1.4.
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The plot thickens. Looking at the lens mount your copy clearly supports open aperture metering. I had not expected that on a 37902, since we have the 37908 with open aperture metering. Could it be that your lens is actually a late copy from just before the change-over to the 37908 SMC Takumar?
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The plot thickens. Looking at the lens mount your copy clearly supports open aperture metering. I had not expected that on a 37902, since we have the 37908 with open aperture metering. Could it be that your lens is actually a late copy from just before the change-over to the 37908 SMC Takumar?
I've looked at that and I have only seen 37902 with that open aperture metering gear on the mount. I have not seen one without it (open aperture metering). I believe the database is wrong on that account. I think it should state the 37902 supports open aperture metering to be accurate. It seems Ebay is becoming an important research tool.

I don't even like the 50mm focal length, but I am becoming obsessed with the Takumar 50mm f/1.4s. I'd pay good money for a good 37802. Always search for that and a 358 now.

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The plot thickens. Looking at the lens mount your copy clearly supports open aperture metering. I had not expected that on a 37902, since we have the 37908 with open aperture metering. Could it be that your lens is actually a late copy from just before the change-over to the 37908 SMC Takumar?
Ole, I have just found and purchased this 37801 (4333853) on Ebay. The serial number is only 747 before my early 37902 (4334600). Or have I just displayed my ignorance in understanding serial numbers for Takumars? According to the "Takumarology - Takumar Field Guide" (Page 10) there seems to be some overlap in numbers from the 37801 vs 37902. Maybe I should not have bought the 37801? Feeling kinda stupid now.

It seems a member here, Droo (field guide writer) is an expert concerning the 50mm Takumars. Hopefully he will sort this out for us. For the life of me I cannot understand the serial number overlap between models, but it is there.

I'll become a website supporter next month. I can't afford it this month after all this.
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