Originally posted by Andrea K I think that your perspective isn't right about the FA Limiteds. You can't say "I don't buy the FA 31mm because I already have the FA 35mm"... I repeat: you can't think in mm or f stops terms with the Limiteds.
I have each and the ratio of shots between the two is 99% with the Limited.... the FA 35mm is a good lens, sharp, decent bokeh, f/2.0 but it does not have the pixie dust inside.
Seriously, the key with the Limiteds is the solid objects rendering, the pop up effect that isn't all about bokeh. In this field the K 28 f/3.5, that I also own and is a sort of 3D lens, is better than the FA 35 but can't compete with the Limited.
This is not what I meant.
Comparing the rendering of the 31mm Limited with the FA 35 mm (from what I've seen), would be a stretch. The FA is a solid lens though.
I simply wrote that TOGETHER the lenses I own (around the same focal) are an alternative, thus the purchase is not an imperative. Especially considering the high price.
If I need AF, which is not common, I use he FA. That's all. Other way I go for the others.
The Soligor has great bokeh, and the "Pentax Distagon" 2/28mm has great performance at close range. The Samyang has great sharpness, very controlled fringing, and if you want crisp, contrasty pictures there are no film era lenses that can beat its amazing performance.
Actually I think that the Samyang 35mm and 135mm slap in the face any film lens.
If you are after a certain kind of rendition, far from the clinical eye of the Sammy, a number of cheap vintage lenses can do wonders. Under controlled lighting even an humble Meyer Lydith provides for beautiful pictures... and terrible ones in different shooting conditions
I am not dismissing the 31mm, just trying to explain that IMHO it sits roughly in between the different optics I mentioned. A good choice if you plan to use only one lens, not as convenient (economically speaking) if you already have plenty of choice.
What makes the Limiteds special, in their own peculiar way, is not the word "Limited", it's the original approach of the talented optical engineer who set the goal of those projects. As always happens in optics, the blanket is too short, and choices had to be made. I highly appreciate the approach, but nobody makes miracles, stretching the blanket over your head invariably leaves your feet in the cold.
A simple example: in my experience the A Star 1.4/85mm is actually sharper than the Limited, but I use the latter much more than the former, cause I like the way it renders.
Quote: It's a different lens. You are right, not so sharp than the 77mm, and other 50mm range lenses, but it has a different purpose that probably does not suit you.
I have all the 50mm AF and MF, included the f/1.2, include some special versions... wonderful lenses... the best are the A f/1.2 and a special FA f/1.4 dedicated to the worldwide Pentax representatives.... but the 43mm has the right focal length
Well, I guess it comes to personal taste.
I always like a little bit longer than most do. For portraits I tend to prefer a 100 or a 135.
If the release of the D FA lowers the prices, I'd rather go for the 55mm (even if Pentax does not consider it full frame and doesn't even embed a profile in the firmware of the K-1).
All in all, with all due respect for the peculiarity of the Limited family, I stick to my original opinion.
The 77mm is the only one that really stands out and is not easily replaceable by anything else available to PK users.
If price was no objection, I'm sure you understand how much I would like to try them all.
Reality is different, and at least I'm happy I started buying nice Pentax lenses at the end of the seventies, and stuck in digital time to my beloved film lenses waiting for the chimera of full frame (with most saying it would never come). Check my old posts on this forum, few agreed and most saw my opinions as a bit funny, if not kind of delusional. Here we are, with the K-1 II... Regarding the highly controversial field of lens choice, I'm still trying to use plain boring common sense. Trying to stay away from fanboysm and excessive brand loyalty, looking at the fact I know and the pictures I see.
I might be completely wrong, but I try my best to not be victim of prejudice, in positive and in negative.
P.S.
The Sammy 1.4/85mm is no slouch either.
The previous post confirms that with its pictures
Off topic:
If extreme bokeh and speed are not needed, I found that some consumer zooms can give surprisingly good portraits.
Some FA zooms of the time of the MZ's are way, way better than similar zooms made in the seventies/early eighties.
All the "silver" ones are at least "good enough", and the last version of the 28-105mm is amazing.
This forum can be very useful. I read of the great colors and contrast of that lens, was not happy with the price of the new D FA (after all it's a kit lens!), and decided to buy one, well... two, to keep the best.
The reviews were spot on. I took many Velvia-style, saturated, contrasted pics with it, reviewing them on the computer screen left me speechless. Just got to stop down a little...
I still have both. They perform more or less the same, so I guess I'll keep the one that came with the original hood.
The forum has helped me look for a lens I would never consider without access to relevant information.
I hope our exchange of different opinions and different points of view would help to widen the perspective of those who are considering the purchase of an FA Limited, with some awareness of possible alternatives.