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03-02-2019, 10:42 PM   #16
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Luckily it is instantly available from the custom wheel/ mode selector.
Not so instantly. The K-7/K-5 metering mode switch is simply more direct. It only does one thing. One thumb motion and you have quickly changed the metering pattern.

With K-3, K-1 etc adjusting AE mode with the AE mode button + rear e-dial method means perhaps 2 or 3 operations using both hands:

(1) press and hold the AE mode button with left hand (and since it doesn't toggle, you need to keep the button depressed as you adjust the setting, so one hand needs to be engaged throughout this operation);

(2) spin around the rear e-dial with right thumb (hand two).

Not as quick and simple as it once was.

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With K-3, K-1 etc adjusting AE mode with the AE mode button + rear e-dial method means perhaps 2 or 3 operations using both hands:
Yes with K1. No with KP.
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While we're at it, here's a comparison with the DFA15-30. And don't forget the one on the right needs a bigger camera too.
You’re going to need a bigger camera
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Not so instantly. The K-7/K-5 metering mode switch is simply more direct. It only does one thing. One thumb motion and you have quickly changed the metering pattern.

With K-3, K-1 etc adjusting AE mode with the AE mode button + rear e-dial method means perhaps 2 or 3 operations using both hands:

(1) press and hold the AE mode button with left hand (and since it doesn't toggle, you need to keep the button depressed as you adjust the setting, so one hand needs to be engaged throughout this operation);

(2) spin around the rear e-dial with right thumb (hand two).

Not as quick and simple as it once was.
Well with the KP you can set the "new" function dial to AE and use the new 3rd command dial to change the AE mode. So you still have direct access to AE control if you want.

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Well with the KP you can set the "new" function dial to AE and use the new 3rd command dial to change the AE mode. So you still have direct access to AE control if you want.
Sounds OK. That kind of quick directness is very handy.

Now the KP can almost work just like, for example, many Nikons (eg D7200/D610/D750) for changing AE metering mode - all have an AE mode button on top near the shutter button. Press and hold the button, rotate the rear e-dial, change AE mode - all with a one hand/two finger motion. I don't understand why this capability is there in KP but not K-1.
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Press and hold the button, rotate the rear e-dial, change AE mode - all with a one hand/two finger motion.
With the KP you can just leave the rotary selector dial in that mode and no two fingers needed.
On the K1 I think it ran out of space on the dial to include it?
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On the K1 I think it ran out of space on the dial to include it?
Probably very true.

But I also think that Ricoh engineers simply had a great deal of confidence in the ability of the 86k RGB metering sensor introduced with the K-3, and inherited by the K-1/KP/645Z, to work a lot better than the old K-7/K-5 era metering sensor, even for pros. Hence less need for human intervention via direct controls. Overall, they were probably right. Most of the time most users wont make use of direct control of their metering mode, and the camera does a good enough job.
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Nontechnical side by side look. 16-50 on K5, 11-18 on KP.
It's really smaller than what pics led to believe !

The f2.8 DA* trinity is really compact compared to the DFA ! That's great !

The DFA is really nice but too heavy. Not big. Just heavy.

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