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10-18-2008, 12:04 AM   #1
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Former Canon users: which Pentax lenses are better than the 35 f2

I'm a Canon user that has a K10D kicking around, though I may be parting with it, I only tried it with one lens. I like the 35mm f2 on my 400D, and I'm wondering to people who have used that lens which lens you think are better that Pentax makes optically (not build wise). Other than the 31mm 1.8 ltd

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fa 50 1.4 or da 40 2.8
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Pentax FA35/2 is better than Canon 35/2.

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QuoteOriginally posted by drwho9437 Quote
I'm a Canon user that has a K10D kicking around, though I may be parting with it, I only tried it with one lens. I like the 35mm f2 on my 400D, and I'm wondering to people who have used that lens which lens you think are better that Pentax makes optically (not build wise). Other than the 31mm 1.8 ltd
Hi there.

If you are happy with EF 35mm f2, you are really easy to please. I think that canon lens is a blooper that it is no way worth its cost at all according to the current standard of lens making.

Even pentax Fa 35mm f2 will beat that lens so easily without a doubt. Of course, it is the person behind the camera that matters. This canon lens is a way to push all the canon users to buy L lenses. So older series do not get updated to prompt users going to the L series. L series are often on the same par as sigma EX series. The difference is minor and sigma charges less in terms of pricing.

Speaking of pentax lens selection, go for EF 35mm f2 if you are already happy with Canon EF 35mm f2. Any lens you can think of in the lens line-up of Pentax will be at least as good as that particular canon EF lens.
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I would also say that you havent use a good example. Had you say the Canon 35 f1.4 and the answer would be different. BUt pretty much every pentax from 24 to 50 beats the Canon 35 f2 by a long margin.
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QuoteOriginally posted by roentarre Quote
Hi there.

If you are happy with EF 35mm f2, you are really easy to please. I think that canon lens is a blooper that it is no way worth its cost at all according to the current standard of lens making.

Even pentax Fa 35mm f2 will beat that lens so easily without a doubt. Of course, it is the person behind the camera that matters. This canon lens is a way to push all the canon users to buy L lenses. So older series do not get updated to prompt users going to the L series. L series are often on the same par as sigma EX series. The difference is minor and sigma charges less in terms of pricing.

Speaking of pentax lens selection, go for EF 35mm f2 if you are already happy with Canon EF 35mm f2. Any lens you can think of in the lens line-up of Pentax will be at least as good as that particular canon EF lens.
Hi James, thanks for your evaluations.
It is nice for the rest of us, in the process of building up a kit, to have the thoughts from some of the ones with vast experience.

What are your thoughts on the standard Canon 50/1.8 ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonson PL Quote
Hi James, thanks for your evaluations.
It is nice for the rest of us, in the process of building up a kit, to have the thoughts from some of the ones with vast experience.

What are your thoughts on the standard Canon 50/1.8 ?
Not so vast experience, Sune. Just got a few strong opinions regarding some partcular lenses where I felt cheated buying into them ...

Canon 50mm f1.8 performs better than than Canon 50mm f1.4 in terms of measurebation using MTF etc. I disliked both lenses and they performed on the same level, hesitant autofocus with severe backfocusing. Both were contructed in flimsy pasticky build while Canon 50mm f1.4 charged a premium!

When lighting is ideal, canon 50mm f1.8 can perform well but its consistency in AG and image quality also varies. The stern defender of all things canon 50mm Joemama admitted the inconsistent image performance even focusing is not a concern.

The bokeh is terrible with spetacular highlight being in crescent shape. Harsh edges and most of background become chalky desaturated lumps. A real frustration.


This is still a great lens (because it is cheap) since it is a lot better than the standard kit lens from canon. Of course, it is the person behind the camera that matters. This lens is certainly a fine lens when a very good photographer is avoiding all the problematic areas to render nice images.

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Hi there.

If you are happy with EF 35mm f2, you are really easy to please. I think that canon lens is a blooper that it is no way worth its cost at all according to the current standard of lens making.

I think it is pretty clear that you had a bad copy or are just wildly bias. The 35 f2 performs as well as the 35 f1.4 L by objective accounts, (slrgear) and many subjective accounts (Fred Miranda for instance has 8.8 vs 9.6 for the f2 vs the L, 8.8 is a very good lens, the 50 1.4 I think is 9, known bad lens are 5-7.5)

I'm curious how many pictures you have shot with the glass in question?

Over all the 35mm macro 2.8 pentax is slightly inferior to the 35mm f2 when processed in RAW in lightroom A/B on the same subject (on my copies). Photozone results would suggest that the lens' corner performance is weak, and that the Pentax flavor is better.

If you are going to suggest a lens, please refrain from snide remarks, and stick to the time of use of both this reference lens or the 35mm 1.4 if you wish and the glass you feel is better (and why in what areas is it better).

Thanks very much.
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Pentax FA35/2 is better than Canon 35/2.
That seems quite possible in most respects, other than price.
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I will refrain from revealing my opinions.

I have never used a canon lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by roentarre Quote
I will refrain from revealing my opinions.
I have never used a canon lens.



QuoteOriginally posted by drwho9437 Quote
I think it is pretty clear that you had a bad copy or are just wildly bias. The 35 f2 performs as well as the 35 f1.4 L by objective accounts, (slrgear) and many subjective accounts (Fred Miranda for instance has 8.8 vs 9.6 for the f2 vs the L, 8.8 is a very good lens, the 50 1.4 I think is 9, known bad lens are 5-7.5)

I'm curious how many pictures you have shot with the glass in question?

Over all the 35mm macro 2.8 pentax is slightly inferior to the 35mm f2 when processed in RAW in lightroom A/B on the same subject (on my copies). Photozone results would suggest that the lens' corner performance is weak, and that the Pentax flavor is better.

If you are going to suggest a lens, please refrain from snide remarks, and stick to the time of use of both this reference lens or the 35mm 1.4 if you wish and the glass you feel is better (and why in what areas is it better).

Thanks very much.
Before you accuse James of being bias, maybe you should get your facts straight. It wasn't till I saw James' setup that I truly realized all the great options in optics that Canon has available.
And if you follow a bit of discussions here and elsewhere, and check out his sites; I think you'll see that he knows a thing or two about photography.

(I can understand how we loose knowledgeable people like Darren M. and others, if this is the attitude that they're met with).


Edit :
I see that you were the same, asking the question at DPR, in which you stated :
“I had the 35 mm ltd for a short time, and tired it out. It was optically okay but certainly not above the performance of the 35mm f2 on my canon.”

And people couldn’t believe that you were actually writing that. The DA 35/2.8 Macro is a lens that Mike Johnston and Carl Weese from The Online Photographer, have compared to the legendary Leica Summarit. But you came to a different conclusion after two days of use.
If you don’t wanna appear completely clueless, please understand the basic framework of the discussions.

You're asking the questions, if you can't handle the answers, then don't ask. James' reply is the same, as the evaluation from all the others in the thread.

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I used to own the Canon 35/2 and I think its a pretty good lens for the money. Its small, light weight, and fast. It offers great performance for the money. It is one of the early EF designs, so the focusing is not as smooth, quick or as quiet as some of the newer lenses.

With regards to the Canon L lenses: sure some are better than others, but to say they are on par with the Sigmas is not telling the full story. Canon makes some of the best lenses in the industry. Some of the L lenses are legendary.

I think the first couple of responses to the OP's question are probably right on. There are many, many great lenses in the 28mm-90mm arena. Canon, Pentax, Nikon, Zeiss, Leica, Minolta, Olympus and others all made/make great fixed lenses here.

I have not used any of the fast DA, FA or Limited lenses but I bet I have owned and used more high end Pentax glass than 95% of the folks on this forum.

I would not be that surprised that the FA 35/2 ($300) or the 43mm /1.9 Limited ($470) or the 31/1.8 LT ($870) outperforms the EF 35/2 which only costs $230. For reference the mighty Canon EF 35/1.4 L costs $1180.

A nice image test would be the Pentax FA 35/2 vs the Canon EF 35/2. Of course doing such a test is difficult due to the differences in the camera bodies. It would be great to see the results of both on a FF capture. But alas Pentax does not make a FF camera, which for me is a deal breaker as far as investing in a new system goes (but that's another discussion...)

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Why not compare the Pentax 35mm F2 against the Canon 35mm F2?

Pentax:
Pentax SMC-FA 35mm f/2 AL - Review / Test Report

Canon:
Canon EF 35mm f/2 - Test Report / Review


Here's a hint - the Pentax is better...
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Photomaximum, it would be quite easy to compare Canon & Pentax 35 f2 lenses FF. Put them on a film body! The right film easily beats any FF digital for resolution (think Tech Pan here).
Wouldn't deal Sigma out so soon. Bet the Sigma 70 macro will take any canon macro! All companies make good lenses. There are even some good Canon ones.
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