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12-14-2019, 04:15 PM - 2 Likes   #61
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Would be a pity if the DA 12-24 is not replaced with something similar - that is, a cheaper, lighter and more compact rectilinear UWA zoom than the DA*11-18. Our comparisons with the 15 Ltd don't detract from the worth of the 12-24. There's a place in the bag for both. I agree with those who have suggested that a makeover like that for the 10-17 fisheye (ideally adding WR as well) would give the 12-24 a new lease on life.

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12-14-2019, 06:42 PM   #62
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You know, I've been shooting a Pentax camera since late 2006, and this is the first time I can remember a lens being discontinued without a clear replacement available at the same time. I missed the AOC to Hoya transition by a couple of years so I missed that mess. Now that I've noticed this, it seems odd. I agree that there should be a place for something like this and the 11-18 at the same time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by y0chang Quote
I own both the DA 12-24mm and DA 15mm. The DA 15 has more pop and contrast that the DA 12-24mm (not that the 12-24mm isnt bad, it is still good), its more resistant to flare and ghosting, and it has the convenience of a really good range for landscapes of 18 to 36mm FF-equiv. The DA 12-24 has better corners at lower apertures and it has no field curvature and is easy to correct distortions with lens profiles. The DA 15mm has a bit of field curvature (which leads to the slightly worse corners if the subject is flat). Lens corrections will pull out already slightly weak corners in the DA 15 and really make them worse like trying to spread too little butter on toast to the corners. Ironically the zoom has less distortion than the prime in this case. Yet the DA has a trick that no landscape lens I own at least can pull off, the contrast is amazing in backlit scenes. Shoot a landscape into the setting or rising sun, and you will just be amazed at the DA 15mm.



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The 12-24 does in my, still limited experience, look positively flat in comparison to the colours and contrast of the da15. With the 15 I often have to lower contrast.
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The other thing is that there is no light weight zoom f4 for either FF or Crop now. I found the DA 12-24 a perfect hiking companion because it has good range and a big hood and it can fit filters. It also was cheap for the quality so I had less worry about damaging it. Lets hope a HD remake is in the works...I might buy that over the DA* 11-18mm

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QuoteOriginally posted by y0chang Quote
Lets hope a HD remake is in the works...I might buy that over the DA* 11-18mm
Don't say that. Ricoh might be listening and cancel the development to push you to the 11-18 ;-)
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I'm not really surprised that it's been discontinued. On paper, it would seem to be an ideal lens to fit in the consumer range for a zoom wider than 18mm with appropriate overlap for convenience. In reality though, it's just not too popular, maybe due to the value of the Sigma 10-20, and recent availability of the DA* 11-8mm. I don't have industry numbers to confirm lack of popularity, but look to these forums: the 12-24 has been around for 15 years, but is one of few lenses that lack a dedicate lens club.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rogerstg Quote
In reality though, it's just not too popular, maybe due to the value of the Sigma 10-20, and recent availability of the DA* 11-8mm. I don't have industry numbers to confirm lack of popularity, but look to these forums: the 12-24 has been around for 15 years, but is one of few lenses that lack a dedicate lens club.
By that logic, the DA560 is more popular than the 12-24.
12-15-2019, 01:52 PM   #68
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QuoteOriginally posted by rogerstg Quote
I'm not really surprised that it's been discontinued. On paper, it would seem to be an ideal lens to fit in the consumer range for a zoom wider than 18mm with appropriate overlap for convenience. In reality though, it's just not too popular, maybe due to the value of the Sigma 10-20, and recent availability of the DA* 11-8mm.
Interesting theory Roger, but difficult to test. I just did some searches on Flickr for particular lenses:
"Sigma 10-20 Pentax" 11,328 images. (This would catch either version of the Sigma.)
"Pentax 12-24" 8,894 [This might catch some with the Sigma 12-24 on a Pentax body, but I didn't find any on a random sample of results]
"Tamron 10-24 Pentax" 1,223
Of course this will only catch images which people have tagged with the lens name (and in the case of the Sigma/Tamron, "Pentax" as well), but it's probably a rough indicator. If so, it suggests that the Sigmas are more popular but not dominant.

Without a replacement for the DA 12-24, there would be a significant gap in the non-star, non-Limited APS-C range. You wouldn't think Ricoh would leave that gap just because it has been outsold by a third party model. (Especially given that neither Sigma nor Tamron seems likely to introduce a new K-mount model.) Sure UWA is something of a niche (the more so as 16-xx zooms or their counterparts become more popular). But Pentax does offer quite a few niche lenses.

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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
By that logic, the DA560 is more popular than the 12-24.
No, it doesn't.
If all popular lenses have a dedicated club, it is not logical to assume that all lenses with a club are popular.

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Interesting theory Roger, but difficult to test. I just did some searches on Flickr for particular lenses:
"Sigma 10-20 Pentax" 11,328 images. (This would catch either version of the Sigma.)
"Pentax 12-24" 8,894 [This might catch some with the Sigma 12-24 on a Pentax body, but I didn't find any on a random sample of results]
"Tamron 10-24 Pentax" 1,223
Of course this will only catch images which people have tagged with the lens name (and in the case of the Sigma/Tamron, "Pentax" as well), but it's probably a rough indicator. If so, it suggests that the Sigmas are more popular but not dominant.
You're right about it being difficult to test: it was more of an observational assumption. Interesting statistics though. Of course, the company's decisions are dynamic and it is only recently that the Sigma has a new pricing structure of ~$330 as a semi regular sale price. The DA* 11-18 is also a relative newcomer. I'd guess that those factors might have had a negative effect on the sales of a lens that was not all that common to begin with.

I'm thankful for my recent purchase of an excellent 12-24 from a forum member.
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No, it doesn't.
If all popular lenses have a dedicated club, it is not logical to assume that all lenses with a club are popular.
In which case your argument doesn't really hold water. The spectrum for dedicated lens clubs runs from the rare (DA560) to the common (18-55)... and criteria for creating lens clubs is solely based on one individual's initiative. In fact, an argument can be made that the more rare K-mount lenses are more likely to have a dedicated lens club, because the lonely user is looking for like-minded individuals.

There looks to be 4 current clubs where the DA 12-24 fits the criteria for membership.


The DA 17-70/4 was a popular lens, and it does not have a club. Neither are there individual clubs for the 21, 40, and 70 Limiteds.


I would suggest that number of reviews might be a better measuring stick for popularity.
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In which case your argument doesn't really hold water.
That's because I'm not making an argument and won't be drawn into yours.
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Who knows what Pentax's plan is, they may release a DA 11-18mm F4-5.6 similar to the Canon and Nikon lenses. They are $300 to 400 dollars and quite good image quality for the price. That would slot in a lot better for most users and sell a lot better. But no one knows quite yet so there is no point in arguing right now about it. There are plenty of DA 12-24mm still out there, and there is the DA* which is quite reasonable priced for the quality of optics. The problem with the DA 12-24 is that no-one is going to pay $700 for a 12 year old lens no matter how good it is. Its a testament of the design that it has lasted this long. And I say that as one of the biggest fan of the lens. In 2017, when I did not own a Pentax K-1, I shot 7k out of 17k K-3 shots with the DA 12-24mm.
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!2 - 24 discontinued mmmmmm
All this since someone mentioned it can be used on a K 1 aswell (in moderation )
The plot thickens


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