If Pentax would be discontinued, would prices go up or down?

biz-engineer · 12-23-2019, 09:39 AM

A couple years ago, while I was shopping for Pentax, I asked the seller in case Pentax would go bust, if prices would go down. He said that prices would go up because collectors would start buying user Pentax cameras/lenses as collector items and to resell them later at a higher price. Just wondering

, if Pentax would go bust, will prices go up or down?. It's an interesting question. If prices go down, it's worth waiting to enjoy buying excellent Pentax products for cheap. If prices go up, than the better strategy is to buy now.

TerryL · 12-23-2019, 09:44 AM - **1 Like**

Not very likely.

motorhead9999 · 12-23-2019, 09:44 AM - **2 Likes**

I think market prices for manual (or af adaptable) lenses would hold steady. I could make an argument that a k1 would appreciate in price, but the fact of the matter is that camera bodies (aside from Leica) are a bit of a "disposable" commodity nowadays, and don't and will not ever appreciate in value.

biz-engineer · 12-23-2019, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by motorhead9999

camera bodies (aside from Leica) are a bit of a "disposable" commodity nowadays, and don't and will not ever appreciate in value.

Perhaps lens prices would go up if stocks get depleted and demand remains steady. For camera bodies, it may be very hard to find some models. For example, the K5IIs is already hard to find, I think users keep them. I saw a K1 for sale at $2200, some people still want a K1 instead of a K1II so that to avoid the accelerator chip, but the K1 is discontinued by Ricoh.

bertwert · 12-23-2019, 09:50 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

If prices go down, it's worth waiting to enjoy buying excellent Pentax products for cheap. If prices go up, than the better strategy is to buy now.

So you're expecting Pentax to go bust very shortly?
I'm just wondering - do you ever think of anything other than doom and gloom?

biz-engineer · 12-23-2019, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by bertwert

So you're expecting Pentax to go bust very shortly?

Not. It's like car insurance. You don't expect to have an accident, yet you buy a car insurance in case it happens. If you have no accident, you spend the insurance money for nothing, but if you have an accident you'r glad the insurance pays for the high costs of repair & al.

**Cerebum** · 12-23-2019, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Not. It's like car insurance. You don't expect to have an accident, yet you buy a car insurance in case it happens.

You're stockpiling, aren't you!

biz-engineer · 12-23-2019, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Cerebum

You're stockpiling, aren't you!

Yeah, I bought a K1 II and I still have the K1. Maybe I buy a 100 macro (discounted right now), and an other D-FA28-105 or a K1II + D-FA28-105 kit (the price of kit is 300 euros lower than the price of buying a christams discount K1II and separate D-FA28-105), also planning on buying a couple of extra D-LI90 batteries of 2019 batch (my old D-LI90 batteries may die before cameras).

**Cerebum** · 12-23-2019, 10:01 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Yeah, I bought a K1 II and I still have the K1. Maybe I buy a 100 macro (discounted right now), and an other D-FA28-105 or a K1II + D-FA28-105 kit (the price of kit is 300 euros lower than the price of buying a christams discount K1II and separate D-FA28-105).

KPs are cheap at the moment too

you could buy one, bang it on fleabay and some idiot would happily pay more for a pre owned than a new camera

I see it all the time

there is a Fuji with 17 bidders and several days to go. It has already surpassed the price at wex, and they give a warranty. Aren't feeding frenzies fun to watch

stevebrot · 12-23-2019, 10:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

If Pentax would be discontinued, would prices go up or down?

Prices would reflect market demand. Right now demand is high, even for the brand's premium offerings...time to sell. (With the one qualifier that FF stuff is not a good format...good values to be found there.)

Steve

Qman · 12-23-2019, 10:02 AM - **1 Like**

I'm guessing prices for new stock would initially go down as retailers try to get rid of remaining stock. Then prices would start to climb again.

**sergysergy** · 12-23-2019, 10:03 AM - **1 Like**

who knows. There are lenses that were cheap, then became expensive, then cheap again. Other have always been expensive and other always cheap. I feel more modern camera bodies would at least fora while go down in price if people move to other systems. Hopefully we will not know...

redmenace · 12-23-2019, 10:08 AM - **1 Like**

Technology tends to depreciate rapidly, and discontinuation limits the appeal for many prospective buyers. But non-retail prices are usually dictated by what the market will bear (buyer's vs seller's market) and there are way too many other factors IMO to accurately predict how the market would behave.

**pres589** · 12-23-2019, 10:10 AM - **1 Like**

I wonder how much Sigma could charge for brand new 20mm f1.8 EX DG's in k-mount were they to be available today.

biz-engineer · 12-23-2019, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Cerebum

KPs are cheap at the moment too

I don't have the lenses for the Kp

---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:16 ----------

Originally posted by stevebrot

With the one qualifier that FF stuff is not a good format...

Yes I know. Looking at 645 bodies for sale.

---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:17 ----------

Originally posted by Qman

I'm guessing prices for new stock would initially go down as retailers try to get rid of remaining stock. Then prices would start to climb again.

Ah! that's an interesting comment.

---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:19 ----------

Originally posted by TerryL

Not very likely.

How did you mean exactly?

---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:21 ----------

Originally posted by pres589

I wonder how much Sigma could charge for brand new 20mm f1.8 EX DG's in k-mount were they to be available today.

They could charge a higher price than the price charged for Canikon mounts, I suppose.

12-23-2019, 09:39 AM	#1
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	If Pentax would be discontinued, would prices go up or down? A couple years ago, while I was shopping for Pentax, I asked the seller in case Pentax would go bust, if prices would go down. He said that prices would go up because collectors would start buying user Pentax cameras/lenses as collector items and to resell them later at a higher price. Just wondering , if Pentax would go bust, will prices go up or down?. It's an interesting question. If prices go down, it's worth waiting to enjoy buying excellent Pentax products for cheap. If prices go up, than the better strategy is to buy now.

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12-23-2019, 09:44 AM - 1 Like	#2
TerryL Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Virginia, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 850	Not very likely.

12-23-2019, 09:44 AM - 2 Likes	#3
motorhead9999 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Photos: Albums Posts: 114	I think market prices for manual (or af adaptable) lenses would hold steady. I could make an argument that a k1 would appreciate in price, but the fact of the matter is that camera bodies (aside from Leica) are a bit of a "disposable" commodity nowadays, and don't and will not ever appreciate in value.

12-23-2019, 09:46 AM	#4
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231 Original Poster	Originally posted by motorhead9999 camera bodies (aside from Leica) are a bit of a "disposable" commodity nowadays, and don't and will not ever appreciate in value. Perhaps lens prices would go up if stocks get depleted and demand remains steady. For camera bodies, it may be very hard to find some models. For example, the K5IIs is already hard to find, I think users keep them. I saw a K1 for sale at $2200, some people still want a K1 instead of a K1II so that to avoid the accelerator chip, but the K1 is discontinued by Ricoh.

12-23-2019, 09:50 AM - 5 Likes	#5
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by biz-engineer If prices go down, it's worth waiting to enjoy buying excellent Pentax products for cheap. If prices go up, than the better strategy is to buy now. So you're expecting Pentax to go bust very shortly? I'm just wondering - do you ever think of anything other than doom and gloom?

12-23-2019, 09:52 AM	#6
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231 Original Poster	Originally posted by bertwert So you're expecting Pentax to go bust very shortly? Not. It's like car insurance. You don't expect to have an accident, yet you buy a car insurance in case it happens. If you have no accident, you spend the insurance money for nothing, but if you have an accident you'r glad the insurance pays for the high costs of repair & al.

12-23-2019, 09:53 AM	#7
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by biz-engineer Not. It's like car insurance. You don't expect to have an accident, yet you buy a car insurance in case it happens. You're stockpiling, aren't you!

12-23-2019, 09:57 AM	#8
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231 Original Poster	Originally posted by Cerebum You're stockpiling, aren't you! Yeah, I bought a K1 II and I still have the K1. Maybe I buy a 100 macro (discounted right now), and an other D-FA28-105 or a K1II + D-FA28-105 kit (the price of kit is 300 euros lower than the price of buying a christams discount K1II and separate D-FA28-105), also planning on buying a couple of extra D-LI90 batteries of 2019 batch (my old D-LI90 batteries may die before cameras).

12-23-2019, 10:01 AM - 2 Likes	#9
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by biz-engineer Yeah, I bought a K1 II and I still have the K1. Maybe I buy a 100 macro (discounted right now), and an other D-FA28-105 or a K1II + D-FA28-105 kit (the price of kit is 300 euros lower than the price of buying a christams discount K1II and separate D-FA28-105). KPs are cheap at the moment too you could buy one, bang it on fleabay and some idiot would happily pay more for a pre owned than a new camera I see it all the time there is a Fuji with 17 bidders and several days to go. It has already surpassed the price at wex, and they give a warranty. Aren't feeding frenzies fun to watch

12-23-2019, 10:01 AM - 1 Like	#10
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by biz-engineer If Pentax would be discontinued, would prices go up or down? Prices would reflect market demand. Right now demand is high, even for the brand's premium offerings...time to sell. (With the one qualifier that FF stuff is not a good format...good values to be found there.) Steve

12-23-2019, 10:02 AM - 1 Like	#11
Qman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 232	I'm guessing prices for new stock would initially go down as retailers try to get rid of remaining stock. Then prices would start to climb again.

12-23-2019, 10:03 AM - 1 Like	#12
sergysergy Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,170	who knows. There are lenses that were cheap, then became expensive, then cheap again. Other have always been expensive and other always cheap. I feel more modern camera bodies would at least fora while go down in price if people move to other systems. Hopefully we will not know...

12-23-2019, 10:08 AM - 1 Like	#13
redmenace Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: dfw.tx.us Photos: Gallery Posts: 296	Technology tends to depreciate rapidly, and discontinuation limits the appeal for many prospective buyers. But non-retail prices are usually dictated by what the market will bear (buyer's vs seller's market) and there are way too many other factors IMO to accurately predict how the market would behave.

12-23-2019, 10:10 AM - 1 Like	#14
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	I wonder how much Sigma could charge for brand new 20mm f1.8 EX DG's in k-mount were they to be available today.

12-23-2019, 10:14 AM	#15
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231 Original Poster	Originally posted by Cerebum KPs are cheap at the moment too I don't have the lenses for the Kp ---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:16 ---------- Originally posted by stevebrot With the one qualifier that FF stuff is not a good format... Yes I know. Looking at 645 bodies for sale. ---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:17 ---------- Originally posted by Qman I'm guessing prices for new stock would initially go down as retailers try to get rid of remaining stock. Then prices would start to climb again. Ah! that's an interesting comment. ---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:19 ---------- Originally posted by TerryL Not very likely. How did you mean exactly? ---------- Post added 23-12-19 at 18:21 ---------- Originally posted by pres589 I wonder how much Sigma could charge for brand new 20mm f1.8 EX DG's in k-mount were they to be available today. They could charge a higher price than the price charged for Canikon mounts, I suppose.