I Need Help

Parallax · 05-06-2020, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Riggomatic

You could "rent" it from Amazon

At the moment I have the Sigma 17-50 in my cart at Amazon.
I'm in the final stages of convincing myself to hit the buy button.
I like the idea of the Pentax 16-85, but in practicality it doesn't do anything my Sigma 18-250 doesn't.

Edit: I just took a second look at the test results on opticallimits.com (formerly photozone). If I have to stop down to f/4 or below to even get into the "good" range at the borders the f/2.8 really isn't any benefit over the Pentax.

My brain hurts.

Last edited by Parallax; 05-06-2020 at 03:05 PM.

**aslyfox** · 05-06-2020, 03:18 PM

" to rent or not to rent, that is the question . "

[ sorry bill

]

certainly an individual decision

if I was trying to decide between A and B and had neither

and could rent both at a " reasonable " cost for a short time ( 3-4 days )

plus discounts to help with shipping costs

then I take a look and decide whether it is worth the cost

it might not be

but I like exploring options and then deciding

.

**luftfluss** · 05-06-2020, 03:38 PM

Of the three contenders, Lensrentals has only the DA 16-85 & DA 20-40 in stock.

As an aside, they do have the new DFA 70-210/4 in stock. I'm a little bit surprised.

Parallax · 05-06-2020, 03:40 PM - **2 Likes**

Renting is a no.

**luftfluss** · 05-06-2020, 03:44 PM - **1 Like**

There is a thought floating around that there might be an updated DA* 16-50/2.8 coming with the K-New. Maybe wait?

Parallax · 05-06-2020, 03:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by luftfluss

Maybe wait?

Wait? Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
For me patience is an obscure word in the dictionary.

bertwert · 05-06-2020, 03:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

At the moment I have the Sigma 17-50 in my cart at Amazon.
I'm in the final stages of convincing myself to hit the buy button.
I like the idea of the Pentax 16-85, but in practicality it doesn't do anything my Sigma 18-250 doesn't.

Edit: I just took a second look at the test results on opticallimits.com (formerly photozone). If I have to stop down to f/4 or below to even get into the "good" range at the borders the f/2.8 really isn't any benefit over the Pentax.

My brain hurts.

Have you seen Heie's review of the 16-85 - worth a read if you're considering it: HD Pentax-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

If you don't feel it would do much more than the 18-250, maybe that's another excuse for the 20-40. It's different enough to justify alongside the 18-250 - faster, smaller compact package - as well being a Limited and WR.

Also, have you considered renting? Sorry - I couldn't resist

Parallax · 05-06-2020, 03:54 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

Also, have you considered renting? Sorry - I couldn't resist

Originally posted by bertwert

Have you seen Heie's review of the 16-85 - worth a read if you're considering it: HD Pentax-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal.
The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in.

**aslyfox** · 05-06-2020, 04:11 PM

violence at the forums

[ heck yes, hit him again harder, harder - all in jest of course

]

bertwert · 05-06-2020, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal.
The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in.

Glad to be of help. When I was recently looking for a walk around WR zoom, the 16-85 was a pretty attractive option - though I couldn't find one within my budget.

timb64 · 05-06-2020, 04:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

:bonk:

Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal.
The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in.

I don't think you'll be disappointed

Ronald Oakes · 05-06-2020, 05:12 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

The 20-40 is becoming more and more attractive.

The "BUG" has really infected you quite badly....lol
I have the 20-40 and would never ever think of getting rid of it for any reason. Yes....Its that good !
Are you sure of your descision ? I mean really , really sure for the 16-85? Positively sure ?

---------- Post added 05-06-20 at 17:14 ----------

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

funny thing about the 20-40mm: when I was looking/lusting for one, I bought a copy of the 35 Macro Ltd and that solved my issue...

the 35 Ltd is a desert-isle lens...

For FF I agree completely. However for APSc mine is the DA15 limited.

Parallax · 05-06-2020, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Ronald Oakes

Are you sure of your descision ? I mean really , really sure for the 16-85? Positively sure ?

Well, I thought I was.

**aslyfox** · 05-06-2020, 07:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

Well, I thought I was.

well

you could

[ bet you thought I was going to use a four letter word starting with " r " and ending in " t "

]

flip a coin

**luftfluss** · 05-06-2020, 08:44 PM - **2 Likes**

That lens is fine.

05-06-2020, 03:54 PM - 1 Like	#38
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Originally posted by bertwert Also, have you considered renting? Sorry - I couldn't resist Originally posted by bertwert Have you seen Heie's review of the 16-85 - worth a read if you're considering it: HD Pentax-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal. The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in. Last edited by Parallax; 05-06-2020 at 04:00 PM.

05-06-2020, 05:12 PM - 1 Like	#42
Ronald Oakes Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,582	Originally posted by Parallax The 20-40 is becoming more and more attractive. The "BUG" has really infected you quite badly....lol I have the 20-40 and would never ever think of getting rid of it for any reason. Yes....Its that good ! Are you sure of your descision ? I mean really , really sure for the 16-85? Positively sure ? ---------- Post added 05-06-20 at 17:14 ---------- Originally posted by pepperberry farm funny thing about the 20-40mm: when I was looking/lusting for one, I bought a copy of the 35 Macro Ltd and that solved my issue... the 35 Ltd is a desert-isle lens... For FF I agree completely. However for APSc mine is the DA15 limited. Last edited by Ronald Oakes; 05-06-2020 at 05:20 PM.

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05-06-2020, 02:40 PM	#31
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Originally posted by Riggomatic You could "rent" it from Amazon At the moment I have the Sigma 17-50 in my cart at Amazon. I'm in the final stages of convincing myself to hit the buy button. I like the idea of the Pentax 16-85, but in practicality it doesn't do anything my Sigma 18-250 doesn't. Edit: I just took a second look at the test results on opticallimits.com (formerly photozone). If I have to stop down to f/4 or below to even get into the "good" range at the borders the f/2.8 really isn't any benefit over the Pentax. My brain hurts. Last edited by Parallax; 05-06-2020 at 03:05 PM.

05-06-2020, 03:18 PM	#32
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	" to rent or not to rent, that is the question . " [ sorry bill ] certainly an individual decision if I was trying to decide between A and B and had neither and could rent both at a " reasonable " cost for a short time ( 3-4 days ) plus discounts to help with shipping costs then I take a look and decide whether it is worth the cost it might not be but I like exploring options and then deciding .

05-06-2020, 03:38 PM	#33
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Of the three contenders, Lensrentals has only the DA 16-85 & DA 20-40 in stock. As an aside, they do have the new DFA 70-210/4 in stock. I'm a little bit surprised.

05-06-2020, 03:40 PM - 2 Likes	#34
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Renting is a no.

05-06-2020, 03:44 PM - 1 Like	#35
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	There is a thought floating around that there might be an updated DA* 16-50/2.8 coming with the K-New. Maybe wait?

05-06-2020, 03:50 PM - 1 Like	#36
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Originally posted by luftfluss Maybe wait? Wait? Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. For me patience is an obscure word in the dictionary.

05-06-2020, 03:52 PM - 1 Like	#37
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Parallax At the moment I have the Sigma 17-50 in my cart at Amazon. I'm in the final stages of convincing myself to hit the buy button. I like the idea of the Pentax 16-85, but in practicality it doesn't do anything my Sigma 18-250 doesn't. Edit: I just took a second look at the test results on opticallimits.com (formerly photozone). If I have to stop down to f/4 or below to even get into the "good" range at the borders the f/2.8 really isn't any benefit over the Pentax. My brain hurts. Have you seen Heie's review of the 16-85 - worth a read if you're considering it: HD Pentax-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database If you don't feel it would do much more than the 18-250, maybe that's another excuse for the 20-40. It's different enough to justify alongside the 18-250 - faster, smaller compact package - as well being a Limited and WR. Also, have you considered renting? Sorry - I couldn't resist

05-06-2020, 04:11 PM	#39
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	violence at the forums [ heck yes, hit him again harder, harder - all in jest of course ]

05-06-2020, 04:22 PM	#40
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Parallax Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal. The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in. Glad to be of help. When I was recently looking for a walk around WR zoom, the 16-85 was a pretty attractive option - though I couldn't find one within my budget.

05-06-2020, 04:56 PM - 1 Like	#41
timb64 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: /Situation : Doing my best to avoid idiots! Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,510	Originally posted by Parallax :bonk: Thanks for that, Robert. That pretty much seals the deal. The Sigma is out. The Pentax is in. I don't think you'll be disappointed

05-06-2020, 07:00 PM	#43
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ronald Oakes Are you sure of your descision ? I mean really , really sure for the 16-85? Positively sure ? Well, I thought I was.

05-06-2020, 07:11 PM - 1 Like	#44
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	Originally posted by Parallax Well, I thought I was. well you could [ bet you thought I was going to use a four letter word starting with " r " and ending in " t " ] flip a coin

05-06-2020, 08:44 PM - 2 Likes	#45
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	That lens is fine.