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06-25-2020, 02:08 PM - 2 Likes   #91
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I'm saying its natural for a conversation to go off on tangents, happens all the time irl! All we need is for there to be a sober person in the room so that after the tangent is finished and the person says "Umm... what were we talking about?" we are able to get back to OP. But tangents can be useful and informative. Thankfully you can just scroll through the tangent till you see the thread get back onto a place that is of interest to you, I just don't see the big deal. The nature of the tangent does not make halfwits, people do. What they say, regardless if the info is on point with OP or on point with the tangent. What you're really trying to say is that tangents can cause arguments whereas I see dumb arguments a plenty (and been guilty of partaking in said dumb arguments) even when they are on point.

No thread should ever be closed, period. That tbh is just poor moderating and admin. Temporary closures are fine, so admin/mods can clean up and deal with naughty members, but they shouldn't be closed indef, ever.
My understanding then, is you will continue to resist being part of the solution.
I'm done reading your posts.
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I watched this on Youtube this morning. It is a very interesting presentation. I do not know Japanese but you can click the settings wheel and select English subtitles. What appears is standard computerese but with a little effort it is not hard to see his main points. I learned a lot. It is a fun exercise trying to figure out what metaphor is being scrambled by the computer.
06-25-2020, 04:52 PM   #93
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Hmm interesting potential demographic, Cialis consuming bitter Ex-Pentaxians Sociopaths, if it wasn't for the ex-pentaxian part I might consider joining.
Just to reassure everyone, I've met Gary and you couldn't hope to meet a nicer bloke!
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First off, I want to apologise to the community for getting very sarky a couple of days ago to a couple of posters who I thought were being very unfair on the OP. My offending post were deleted but I did contribute to the fracas. So apologies. I will stay away from the news and rumours area from now on because I am finding my tolerance for those that disagree with the direction that Pentax is taking is very low.

I am liking more and more this design with every new set of images I see and was breaking my ribs laughing at just how easily it seemed that the very serious Japanese lady on YouTube was handling this 'enormous' and 'overweight' (I am being a little sarcastic with descriptions here for those that don't understand my dryish humour) optic delight alongside a K-1 series. That harbours well for the overall balance of the combo. It seems to me to be a definitive generational leap over the 77 in that while the 77 is more than capable of producing a marvelous image and will continue to do so, you have to shield it from its weaknesses such as notable pf wide open in high contrast scenes. This new 85 from what I have seen so far has fewer weaknesses (minimal really) so will generate more keepers more of the time. Saying all that, I do suspect that it will demand that we the photographers need to be on our game too, especially focusing at wider than f/2.0 and how well we can utilise the DOF scope it gives us.

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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
First off, I want to apologise to the community for getting very sarky a couple of days ago to a couple of posters who I thought were being very unfair on the OP.
All is forgiven Robbie.

For what it's worth, rather than escalating to all-out war, a report to the Moderation Team is probably a better approach to such border incursions; a diplomatic solution is nearly always preferable
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
You are right, of course, but what is becoming a bigger concern for us, more troublesome than the brand bashing is the people bashing. The posts aren't visible as we've deleted them but there were quite a few in this thread that were whiny and critical. Not of the lens, but of the OP. Not "thanks for taking the time to do this" but "wrong subject, bad lighting, too close, too far,...................".
Good rant, Parallax. I agree with you on that point and can't offer a suggestion for that other than what's already done by the Mod Crew.

But by closing off News and Rumours to all but Site Supporters, I think it'd massively cut down on both people bashing and brand bashing. One leads to the other, I reckon.

I'm glad I didn't see the abuse towards Stephen, I'm friends with him these days on Facebook.
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Good rant, Parallax. I agree with you on that point and can't offer a suggestion for that other than what's already done by the Mod Crew.

But by closing off News and Rumours to all but Site Supporters, I think it'd massively cut down on both people bashing and brand bashing. One leads to the other, I reckon.

I'm glad I didn't see the abuse towards Stephen, I'm friends with him these days on Facebook.
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It would also be a good revenue generator.
Consider though, you can no longer claim you are being inclusive. You want in the door, you gotta pay.
You don’t have the beans? Well, you can’t be part of the club.
Do you really want to put a paywall in the way of freedom of expression?
Good God man, have you no shame?
Orwell is smiling today.
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That was fun

06-25-2020, 10:20 PM - 1 Like   #98
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I think this lens is going to become a Pentax classic and I'm sure it will prove the naysayers wrong, even though I have no need for it and am unlikely to be a buyer. I honestly do think that Pentax is in good hands under Ricoh's stewardship.
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I think this will be my last comment here - very short of career :-). The whole thing here derailed from the first comment under the unprofessional flat lighted unsharp images. We had a some interesting comments at the pentaxians Facebook group where I asked why the people in the fb community are so much nicer than here. And I think I found it out by myself. This is for all of you guys - stop taking things too serious. We are not saving babies we are taking pictures with cameras if a certain brand. This is no religion, neither is a forum a church.

Being admin in such a place is not playing Doom in God mode and being an owner of a camera does not qualify to join every conversation.

Don't get me wrong. This forum has a lot of incredible members and the knowledge about Pentax products, but lags a lot in the area of social competence.

So Eddy left the forum, he is one of the nicest guys I ever met in any online community. Something to think about.

Thanks for your attention. The people who know me, know where I can be found.

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QuoteOriginally posted by StephenObermeier Quote
I think this will be my last comment here - very short of career :-). The whole thing here derailed from the first comment under the unprofessional flat lighted unsharp images. We had a some interesting comments at the pentaxians Facebook group where I asked why the people in the fb community are so much nicer than here. And I think I found it out by myself. This is for all of you guys - stop taking things too serious. We are not saving babies we are taking pictures with cameras if a certain brand. This is no religion, neither is a forum a church.

Being admin in such a place is not playing Doom in God mode and being an owner of a camera does not qualify to join every conversation.

Don't get me wrong. This forum has a lot of incredible members and the knowledge about Pentax products, but lags a lot in the area of social competence.

So Eddy left the forum, he is one of the nicest guys I ever met in any online community. Something to think about.

Thanks for your attention. The people who know me, know where I can be found.
Sincerely hope you re-consider Stephen - your contributions are so useful and make a real difference for some of us, and samples that don't fit the criteria or "style" of some others are important to see. You're correct that some take things far too seriously, sometimes it's passion gone a bit too far - sometimes it's other reasons

If you don't re-appear then good luck with whatever you do, but I for one hope you'll stick around
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You are right, of course, but what is becoming a bigger concern for us, more troublesome than the brand bashing is the people bashing. The posts aren't visible as we've deleted them but there were quite a few in this thread that were whiny and critical. Not of the lens, but of the OP. Not "thanks for taking the time to do this" but "wrong subject, bad lighting, too close, too far,...................". Two days ago a member started a thread regarding file size comparison asking about # of photos on a card, etc. One of the replies was THAT'S the kind of thing that's more likely driving members away; more so than brand bashing. That's also the kind of thing responsible for what will be far more liberal use of the "Delete Post" and "Ban User From Thread" buttons by moderators going forward.

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It definitely makes a person think twice about posting comparison shots of any kind. Most of us aren't scientific in the ways in which we shoot, but you post a couple of comparison shots between lenses and people suddenly start noticing tiny differences. "I notice lens 'a' had 1/100 second exposure and lens 'b' 1/120 second exposure." or whatever.

I have always been of the perspective that if something isn't in the critique section and I can't think of something nice to say, I probably shouldn't say anything (I think my Mama taught me that), but I guess internet fora are a different sort of place than a family's kitchen table...
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I think the pictures show very good what the lens is capable of. I like them, both kinds of pictures that were posted. I will hardly have the money for it, but I think this lens is a masterpiece.
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The problem is when a person comes to a thread expecting to read about, for example, the D FA* 85mm f/1.4 lens, and finds little information relating to the thread title and lots of what is nothing more than random noise such as: Pentax will/won't, should/shouldn't make an MILC, Fuji equivalent of the 645D killed Pentax MF market, KAF4 mount is doomed (No it's not, yes it is, no it's not, yes it is, oh yeah?!, yeah! ), DSLRs are doomed, etc, the forum looses it's usefulness and people move on to other forums, or even other brands because we look like a bunch of halfwits.

We've had two threads regarding the new lens closed because of hijacking, meaning discussion of a new and decidedly exciting product in the Pentax world has been made impossible by some very self centered people. I include myself, as I have contributed by not staying on topic to the thread by allowing myself to get sucked in by off topic posts. This reply to you has nothing to do with the thread, for example. It is part of a hijack.

Some people will always be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
My goal is to do better.
What, if anything, is your goal?
I know I switched my entire system to Leica yesterday because I came to this thread looking for information on the DFA* 84 1.4, and instead got posts complaining about thread hijacking.
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I will stay away from the news and rumours area from now on because I am finding my tolerance for those that disagree with the direction that Pentax is taking is very low.
Please, no.
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Good rant, Parallax. I agree with you on that point and can't offer a suggestion for that other than what's already done by the Mod Crew.

But by closing off News and Rumours to all but Site Supporters, I think it'd massively cut down on both people bashing and brand bashing. One leads to the other, I reckon.

I'm glad I didn't see the abuse towards Stephen, I'm friends with him these days on Facebook.
Agreed.
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