LBA Killer ...

gkopeliadis · 11-11-2008, 09:28 AM

The best LBA reduction (to extinction) medicine is the poor Quality Control lens manufacturers implement.

Aside my kit lens and the Sigma 105mm all other lenses I’ve bought the last 2 years had to be replaced once or twice to get a decent copy. Now I’m going through the same with a brand new Pentax DA 12-24/4.0 I bought a week ago with major decentering problem on the right side.

Never had these problems 10 years in the past with my then poor Practika B200 and Pentagon, or Tamron adaptal lenses I owned.

Last edited by gkopeliadis; 11-13-2008 at 02:59 AM.

Gooshin · 11-11-2008, 09:29 AM

ever think that it might be your K10D thats messing things up?

gkopeliadis · 11-11-2008, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

ever think that it might be your K10D thats messing things up?

Yes I did. Sent in for checking and came up to be OK.
Then, how could the body be responsible for decentering of one lens to left, the other to the right and with a third to be soft all around? And afterwards with new copies of the lens to work perfectly?

Gooshin · 11-11-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by gkopeliadis

Yes I did. Sent in for checking and came up to be OK.
Then, how could the body be responsible for decentering of one lens to left, the other to the right and with a third to be soft all around? And afterwards with new copies of the lens to work perfectly?

dont know

but it seems the majority of lens defects are reported by people with K10D's

, why, i dont know.

Mechan1k · 11-11-2008, 09:48 AM

I guess that's what you get with AF lenses. I'd hate to have come across these issues.
But since I have gone to old-school MF lenses ... I don't have any issues at all.

Gooshin · 11-11-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Mechan1k

I guess that's what you get with AF lenses. I'd hate to have come across these issues.
But since I have gone to old-school MF lenses ... I don't have any issues at all.

you can have issues if you mount your lens wrong..or if the mount is busted

take your M42 adapter and smash it with a hammer a couple of times, then put it in your camera and put a lens on, see if it still focuses 100% parallel.

Miserere · 11-11-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

take your M42 adapter and smash it with a hammer a couple of times,

That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it.

Mechan1k · 11-11-2008, 11:08 AM

hee hee ... well smashing my M42 adaptor would kill LBA for sure ... then I wouldn't be able to mount any of my good lenses ... then again ... It'd make me go hunting for another M42 adaptor though instead of lenses ... hee hee

Good thing I have a spare.

tzcobretti · 11-11-2008, 11:16 AM

The one and only LBA killer:

jsherman999 · 11-11-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Miserere

That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it.

I've already noted that the best way to get rid of a hornets nest is to "Hit it with a rake. Then stomp on it".

jsherman999 · 11-11-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by tzcobretti

The one and only LBA killer:

FA's in sliver, DA's in black. Stylin'. Looks like LBA's already take it's toll with you!

.

Igilligan · 11-11-2008, 11:30 AM

Nice 'visual' mousetrap metaphor. The world beating a path to the limiteds.....

BUT....
Forget the limiteds... where did you get those mousetraps? Never seen one like that where the bait area elevates... I must know more!

Marc Sabatella · 11-11-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by gkopeliadis

Never had these problems 10 years in the past with my then poor Practika B200 and Pentagon, or Tamron adaptal lenses I owned.

I of course don't know your specific situation, but I suspect that 10 years ago, you didn't pixel-peep to the same extent you do now. That is, you probably didn't perform the same sort of testing and viewing at 100% you do now, and given the much longer lag between taking a shot and seeing the results, it was harder to be sure about any results you might have seen even if you had tried.

My hypothesis is that if you took your old lenses and subjective them to the same degree of scrutiny your are applying to your new ones, you might end up feeling differently about the old ones. Or, perhaps it would make you feel differently about the new ones. Anyone, the assumption being, the differences might not be as great as you think.

Same goes for FF and BF issues - I don't there is anything new here except our awareness of them.

tzcobretti · 11-11-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Igilligan

BUT....
Forget the limiteds... where did you get those mousetraps? Never seen one like that where the bait area elevates... I must know more!

Therefore in Germany we get the mice.........

SpecialK · 11-11-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Miserere

That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it.

And the mounts will match his filters.

11-11-2008, 09:28 AM	#1
gkopeliadis Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ATHENS, GREECE Posts: 308	LBA Killer ... The best LBA reduction (to extinction) medicine is the poor Quality Control lens manufacturers implement. Aside my kit lens and the Sigma 105mm all other lenses I’ve bought the last 2 years had to be replaced once or twice to get a decent copy. Now I’m going through the same with a brand new Pentax DA 12-24/4.0 I bought a week ago with major decentering problem on the right side. Never had these problems 10 years in the past with my then poor Practika B200 and Pentagon, or Tamron adaptal lenses I owned. Last edited by gkopeliadis; 11-13-2008 at 02:59 AM.

11-11-2008, 11:30 AM	#12
Igilligan Guest	Build a better mousetrap.... Nice 'visual' mousetrap metaphor. The world beating a path to the limiteds..... BUT.... Forget the limiteds... where did you get those mousetraps? Never seen one like that where the bait area elevates... I must know more!

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11-11-2008, 09:29 AM	#2
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	ever think that it might be your K10D thats messing things up?

11-11-2008, 09:39 AM	#3
gkopeliadis Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ATHENS, GREECE Posts: 308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Gooshin ever think that it might be your K10D thats messing things up? Yes I did. Sent in for checking and came up to be OK. Then, how could the body be responsible for decentering of one lens to left, the other to the right and with a third to be soft all around? And afterwards with new copies of the lens to work perfectly?

11-11-2008, 09:41 AM	#4
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by gkopeliadis Yes I did. Sent in for checking and came up to be OK. Then, how could the body be responsible for decentering of one lens to left, the other to the right and with a third to be soft all around? And afterwards with new copies of the lens to work perfectly? dont know but it seems the majority of lens defects are reported by people with K10D's , why, i dont know.

11-11-2008, 09:48 AM	#5
Mechan1k Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,891	I guess that's what you get with AF lenses. I'd hate to have come across these issues. But since I have gone to old-school MF lenses ... I don't have any issues at all.

11-11-2008, 09:57 AM	#6
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by Mechan1k I guess that's what you get with AF lenses. I'd hate to have come across these issues. But since I have gone to old-school MF lenses ... I don't have any issues at all. you can have issues if you mount your lens wrong..or if the mount is busted take your M42 adapter and smash it with a hammer a couple of times, then put it in your camera and put a lens on, see if it still focuses 100% parallel.

11-11-2008, 11:05 AM	#7
Miserere Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,993	Originally posted by Gooshin take your M42 adapter and smash it with a hammer a couple of times, That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it.

11-11-2008, 11:08 AM	#8
Mechan1k Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,891	hee hee ... well smashing my M42 adaptor would kill LBA for sure ... then I wouldn't be able to mount any of my good lenses ... then again ... It'd make me go hunting for another M42 adaptor though instead of lenses ... hee hee Good thing I have a spare.

11-11-2008, 11:17 AM	#10
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by Miserere That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it. I've already noted that the best way to get rid of a hornets nest is to "Hit it with a rake. Then stomp on it".

11-11-2008, 11:19 AM	#11
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by tzcobretti The one and only LBA killer: FA's in sliver, DA's in black. Stylin'. Looks like LBA's already take it's toll with you! .

11-11-2008, 12:50 PM	#13
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	Originally posted by gkopeliadis Never had these problems 10 years in the past with my then poor Practika B200 and Pentagon, or Tamron adaptal lenses I owned. I of course don't know your specific situation, but I suspect that 10 years ago, you didn't pixel-peep to the same extent you do now. That is, you probably didn't perform the same sort of testing and viewing at 100% you do now, and given the much longer lag between taking a shot and seeing the results, it was harder to be sure about any results you might have seen even if you had tried. My hypothesis is that if you took your old lenses and subjective them to the same degree of scrutiny your are applying to your new ones, you might end up feeling differently about the old ones. Or, perhaps it would make you feel differently about the new ones. Anyone, the assumption being, the differences might not be as great as you think. Same goes for FF and BF issues - I don't there is anything new here except our awareness of them.

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11-11-2008, 12:52 PM	#14
tzcobretti Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany / NRW Posts: 5	Originally posted by Igilligan BUT.... Forget the limiteds... where did you get those mousetraps? Never seen one like that where the bait area elevates... I must know more! Therefore in Germany we get the mice.........

11-11-2008, 01:09 PM	#15
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Originally posted by Miserere That's some great advice, Gooshin. The moderators should make this thread a sticky so the newbies don't miss it. And the mounts will match his filters.