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11-12-2008, 09:46 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by k100d Quote
i always compare border sharpness to the FA31 :/
Not a fair comparison, the DA21 is much wider. Seriously, who makes a better prime at this focal length or 20mm (no zooms please)? Really, I'm curious.

11-12-2008, 12:24 PM   #17
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QuoteOriginally posted by GaryM Quote
Not a fair comparison, the DA21 is much wider. Seriously, who makes a better prime at this focal length or 20mm (no zooms please)? Really, I'm curious.
you're right, but FA31 is usually wide enough for me.

the answer is Zeiss 18mm+21mm / Canon 24mm L
it seems most manufacturers have abandoned the wide prime market and populated it with zooms
still the DA21 wasn't as big of a jump up from the kit that the price would have me believe (in my brief experience with the kit)
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QuoteOriginally posted by k100d Quote
you're right, but FA31 is usually wide enough for me.

the answer is Zeiss 18mm+21mm / Canon 24mm L
it seems most manufacturers have abandoned the wide prime market and populated it with zooms
still the DA21 wasn't as big of a jump up from the kit that the price would have me believe (in my brief experience with the kit)
The Canon 24 isn't wide enough for this comparison, but I'd be interested in seeing side-by-side tests of the DA21 vs. the two Zeiss lenses you mention. I bet they're a LOT more expensive however. As far as being compared to the kit, the jump was pretty big for me, and I've gotten lots of sharp, contrasty, flare-free images from the DA21. It's the type of lens that makes me stay with Pentax. Of course, Your Mileage May Vary.
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There is also the Sigma 20/1.8 which is interesting; however the shots I've seen indicate that it really is pretty bad wide open while looking pretty decent at 2.8 so the extra speed you get on paper isn't necessarily all that useful.

I'd like to see a comparison between it and the DA 21, especially towards the edges...

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There is also the Sigma 20/1.8 which is interesting; however the shots I've seen indicate that it really is pretty bad wide open while looking pretty decent at 2.8 so the extra speed you get on paper isn't necessarily all that useful.

I'd like to see a comparison between it and the DA 21, especially towards the edges...
Sigma 20/1.8 is also heavy.

DA 21mm and FA 20mm are betterin wide open ...and light.
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Sigma 20/1.8 is also heavy.

DA 21mm and FA 20mm are betterin wide open ...and light.
Weight isn't really a concern.. I always keep the grip on the K20D so it's a hefty beast to begin with.
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I really love my 21mm

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It's one of my favorite lenses.



It also works really well for stitched shots.



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Sigma 20/1.8 is also heavy.

DA 21mm and FA 20mm are betterin wide open ...and light.
The Sigma's that I've used have been very sensitive to flare. The DA21 on the other hand is quite flare resistant. I think that's important for a wide angle lens.
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The Sigma's that I've used have been very sensitive to flare. The DA21 on the other hand is quite flare resistant. I think that's important for a wide angle lens.
My copy of the DA21 shows pronounced flare when there are bright bare-bulb light sources in the frame, at least at the widest aperture. This is also quite visible with night shots containing street lights, auto headlights, etc. It tends to disappear when the lens is stopped down.

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Very fond of this lens

f3.2 is not that slow: You can afford long shutter times with SR and the short focal length:




Mostly, I use it for landscapes (really!)







Works great in tight spaces.




I could go on and on but I'll take pity on you all.


By the way, you realised of course that the field of view on APS-C is equivallent with 31 mm.
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Nice shots, everyone! I did in fact buy a 21 Limited today.

Bart: I shoot crop sensor digital, 35mm film, 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7 and 4x5 -- at that point there's no equivalent anything.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pingflood Quote
...I shoot crop sensor digital, 35mm film, 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7 and 4x5 -- at that point there's no equivalent anything.
I see what you mean. Me, I'm still seeing everything through "Kleinbild" - 35mm 'glasses'.
This gives me a feeling of tunnel vision with the digital SLR but I'm sure I'll get used to it - unless Pentax comes out with a budget FF dSLR before, that is .
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By the way, where did you take that cow picture? The light isn't ideal but it's still a stunning view.
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Some Toronto scenes

I took these snap shots in Toronto with DA 21mm a couple of weeks ago. Pictures in the next post.
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