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frank · 11-12-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by MidwestMax

I agree. The shots from the 85 look sharper but still maintain a sort of cinematic feel.

Hmm, cinematic feel? I need to take a look at those photos again ...

frank · 11-12-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by 8540tomg

Both are excellent lenses. On a purely subjective level I prefer the 85mm.

Tom G

Yes, we can't go wrong w/ either lens I'd say

frank · 11-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by lbam

It fairly obvious the 85mm is going to have more developed bokeh due to it's larger aperture and longer focal length.
The above taken into consideration I think it's hard to be completely critical.
I would say the 77mm seems to be allowing more light to pass through at matching apertures though.

I'd like the 85mm for it's max aperture, but am more than happy with the 77mm

Thanks for the work Frank!

Actually I used FA77 alot more often than the FA*85, mostly due to its smaller size, and excellent IQ

frank · 11-12-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Marc Langille

Hi Frank! I suspect that's because you slip him a little $$...

I hope you are well good sir.

Cheers,
Marc

Thanks Marc

Life can't be better, except work (might need to find a new job soon

).

Fl_Gulfer · 11-15-2008, 08:44 AM

The 77 shots are lighter than the 85. But they look almost alike in IQ.

bimjo · 11-15-2008, 11:03 AM

Subjectively I prefer the 85 for the bokeh, but I'd be more than happy to own either one of them.

**rparmar** · 11-15-2008, 11:42 AM

Thanks for this comparison! Thank your dad too!

While it is obvious the bokeh from the 85 edges out the 77, I think I prefer the 77 rendering of the subject, though it's really too close to say. Given that I own the FA77 I wouldn't shell out for the 85 based on this evidence. Photoshop has rather nice blurring algorithms for those cases where it really matters.

**Kerrowdown** · 11-16-2008, 02:49 PM

I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests.

I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens.

Miserere · 11-16-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by kerrowdown

I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests.

I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens.

I think bias is the point here. Both lenses seem to perform extremely well, but in different ways, so the best lens is the one you like the most. There is no way to give an absolute answer to the question of which one is the better lens.

I've always wanted the A* 85 and eventually had to "settle" for the 77 Ltd. After seeing these comparisons I find I actually like the rendition of the 77 Ltd better, so I'm happy I didn't spend a whole lot of money on the A* 85 if the 77 Ltd gives me what I want. For others it will be the other way around and they'll want the A* 85.

It really is a matter of taste and a testament to Pentax's design prowess that they're capable of creating two great lenses at the very top of the 80mm food chain and yet give each of them a distinct personality.

beaumont · 11-16-2008, 05:06 PM

Due to the different focal lengths I suppose, but his face looks fuller (rounder) in the 85mm shots?...

frank · 11-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by kerrowdown

I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests.

I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens.

Well, I guess my dad is pretty comfortable w/ the camera, most of all, me the shooter

The A*85/1.4 is a great lens too. I'd compared it against the FA77 before, and the A*85 stands out well at wider (than F5.6) apertures

frank · 11-17-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer

The 77 shots are lighter than the 85. But they look almost alike in IQ.

I agree w/ you on the IQ part

To me they are all pretty good.

Originally posted by bimjo

Subjectively I prefer the 85 for the bokeh, but I'd be more than happy to own either one of them.

If I didn't check the focal length, it'd be really hard for me to tell which photo is taken by which lens, especially when looking at larger sizes

Originally posted by rparmar

Thanks for this comparison! Thank your dad too!

While it is obvious the bokeh from the 85 edges out the 77, I think I prefer the 77 rendering of the subject, though it's really too close to say. Given that I own the FA77 I wouldn't shell out for the 85 based on this evidence. Photoshop has rather nice blurring algorithms for those cases where it really matters.

Thanks Robin

I'm sure most FA77 owners are pretty happy w/ it. It's such a wonderful lens after all.

frank · 11-17-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Miserere

I think bias is the point here. Both lenses seem to perform extremely well, but in different ways, so the best lens is the one you like the most. There is no way to give an absolute answer to the question of which one is the better lens.

I've always wanted the A* 85 and eventually had to "settle" for the 77 Ltd. After seeing these comparisons I find I actually like the rendition of the 77 Ltd better, so I'm happy I didn't spend a whole lot of money on the A* 85 if the 77 Ltd gives me what I want. For others it will be the other way around and they'll want the A* 85.

It really is a matter of taste and a testament to Pentax's design prowess that they're capable of creating two great lenses at the very top of the 80mm food chain and yet give each of them a distinct personality.

Actually A*85 is quite different from FA*85. At wider aperture I think A*85 has its edge. Bokeh wise, the FA*85 is optimized for portraits, probably it's more suitable for this kind of photos. Optically A*85 is more close to FA77 than it is to FA*85.

If you already have FA77 and are happy w/ it, don't think you'd be any happier w/ the A*85

frank · 11-17-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by beaumont

Due to the different focal lengths I suppose, but his face looks fuller (rounder) in the 85mm shots?...

Hmm, hard to tell. Maybe I should've moved abit closer when testing the FA77 so we'd see similar FOV ...

farfisa · 11-17-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by frank

Hmm, hard to tell. Maybe I should've moved abit closer when testing the FA77 so we'd see similar FOV ...

But that's what made it so easy to tell which lens took the shot!

When I first saw the series, I did note that the pictures seemed framed for the 85, then taken with the 77, so as photos, the 85's were more successful.

But that was me in my head defending the 77

But amazing set of comparison shots overall! Thanks for this, Frank.

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11-12-2008, 08:37 PM	#31
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by MidwestMax I agree. The shots from the 85 look sharper but still maintain a sort of cinematic feel. Hmm, cinematic feel? I need to take a look at those photos again ...

11-12-2008, 08:38 PM	#32
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by 8540tomg Both are excellent lenses. On a purely subjective level I prefer the 85mm. Tom G Yes, we can't go wrong w/ either lens I'd say

11-12-2008, 08:40 PM	#33
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by lbam It fairly obvious the 85mm is going to have more developed bokeh due to it's larger aperture and longer focal length. The above taken into consideration I think it's hard to be completely critical. I would say the 77mm seems to be allowing more light to pass through at matching apertures though. I'd like the 85mm for it's max aperture, but am more than happy with the 77mm Thanks for the work Frank! Actually I used FA77 alot more often than the FA*85, mostly due to its smaller size, and excellent IQ

11-12-2008, 08:42 PM	#34
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Marc Langille Hi Frank! I suspect that's because you slip him a little $$... I hope you are well good sir. Cheers, Marc Thanks Marc Life can't be better, except work (might need to find a new job soon ).

11-15-2008, 08:44 AM	#35
Fl_Gulfer Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Gulfer Photos: Albums Posts: 3,054	The 77 shots are lighter than the 85. But they look almost alike in IQ.

11-15-2008, 11:03 AM	#36
bimjo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pasco, WA Posts: 967	Subjectively I prefer the 85 for the bokeh, but I'd be more than happy to own either one of them.

11-15-2008, 11:42 AM	#37
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Thanks for this comparison! Thank your dad too! While it is obvious the bokeh from the 85 edges out the 77, I think I prefer the 77 rendering of the subject, though it's really too close to say. Given that I own the FA77 I wouldn't shell out for the 85 based on this evidence. Photoshop has rather nice blurring algorithms for those cases where it really matters.

11-16-2008, 02:49 PM	#38
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,866	I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests. I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens.

11-16-2008, 04:19 PM	#39
Miserere Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,993	Originally posted by kerrowdown I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests. I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens. I think bias is the point here. Both lenses seem to perform extremely well, but in different ways, so the best lens is the one you like the most. There is no way to give an absolute answer to the question of which one is the better lens. I've always wanted the A* 85 and eventually had to "settle" for the 77 Ltd. After seeing these comparisons I find I actually like the rendition of the 77 Ltd better, so I'm happy I didn't spend a whole lot of money on the A* 85 if the 77 Ltd gives me what I want. For others it will be the other way around and they'll want the A* 85. It really is a matter of taste and a testament to Pentax's design prowess that they're capable of creating two great lenses at the very top of the 80mm food chain and yet give each of them a distinct personality.

11-16-2008, 05:06 PM	#40
beaumont Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 505	Due to the different focal lengths I suppose, but his face looks fuller (rounder) in the 85mm shots?...

11-17-2008, 07:57 PM	#41
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by kerrowdown I'll tell you one thing, your fathers not looking too chuffed in any of these, how long did he have to stand for you to do the tests. I must admit I have the A series 85mm F1.4 (with the pukka hood) and I luv it to bits, so I guess I'm to biased to comment about the best lens. Well, I guess my dad is pretty comfortable w/ the camera, most of all, me the shooter The A85/1.4 is a great lens too. I'd compared it against the FA77 before, and the A85 stands out well at wider (than F5.6) apertures

11-17-2008, 07:58 PM	#42
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer The 77 shots are lighter than the 85. But they look almost alike in IQ. I agree w/ you on the IQ part To me they are all pretty good. Originally posted by bimjo Subjectively I prefer the 85 for the bokeh, but I'd be more than happy to own either one of them. If I didn't check the focal length, it'd be really hard for me to tell which photo is taken by which lens, especially when looking at larger sizes Originally posted by rparmar Thanks for this comparison! Thank your dad too! While it is obvious the bokeh from the 85 edges out the 77, I think I prefer the 77 rendering of the subject, though it's really too close to say. Given that I own the FA77 I wouldn't shell out for the 85 based on this evidence. Photoshop has rather nice blurring algorithms for those cases where it really matters. Thanks Robin I'm sure most FA77 owners are pretty happy w/ it. It's such a wonderful lens after all.

11-17-2008, 08:01 PM	#43
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by Miserere I think bias is the point here. Both lenses seem to perform extremely well, but in different ways, so the best lens is the one you like the most. There is no way to give an absolute answer to the question of which one is the better lens. I've always wanted the A* 85 and eventually had to "settle" for the 77 Ltd. After seeing these comparisons I find I actually like the rendition of the 77 Ltd better, so I'm happy I didn't spend a whole lot of money on the A* 85 if the 77 Ltd gives me what I want. For others it will be the other way around and they'll want the A* 85. It really is a matter of taste and a testament to Pentax's design prowess that they're capable of creating two great lenses at the very top of the 80mm food chain and yet give each of them a distinct personality. Actually A85 is quite different from FA85. At wider aperture I think A85 has its edge. Bokeh wise, the FA85 is optimized for portraits, probably it's more suitable for this kind of photos. Optically A85 is more close to FA77 than it is to FA85. If you already have FA77 and are happy w/ it, don't think you'd be any happier w/ the A*85

11-17-2008, 08:02 PM	#44
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by beaumont Due to the different focal lengths I suppose, but his face looks fuller (rounder) in the 85mm shots?... Hmm, hard to tell. Maybe I should've moved abit closer when testing the FA77 so we'd see similar FOV ...

11-17-2008, 08:33 PM	#45
farfisa Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,274	Originally posted by frank Hmm, hard to tell. Maybe I should've moved abit closer when testing the FA77 so we'd see similar FOV ... But that's what made it so easy to tell which lens took the shot! When I first saw the series, I did note that the pictures seemed framed for the 85, then taken with the 77, so as photos, the 85's were more successful. But that was me in my head defending the 77 But amazing set of comparison shots overall! Thanks for this, Frank.

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