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12-19-2008, 04:00 PM   #1
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Zenitar 16mm or DA 12-24mm on k20d/k200d ?

Wich one would you choose and why ?

Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye or SMC Pentax-DA 12-24mm F4 ED AL [IF]

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts

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one is:

a fish eye
fast
static focal length
manual meter and focus

the other is:

a rectalinear
slow(er)
zoom
auto meter and focus

really you cant just pick one or the other, both will give you different results and uses.
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one is:

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really you cant just pick one or the other, both will give you different results and uses.
Maybe my question is not properly asked.

Zenitar 16mm or DA 12-24mm on k20d/k200d ?
Wich one would you choose and why if you could only afford one? (huge difference between prices)
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QuoteOriginally posted by netuser Quote
Maybe my question is not properly asked.

Zenitar 16mm or DA 12-24mm on k20d/k200d ?
Wich one would you choose and why if you could only afford one? (huge difference between prices)
No contest, 12-24. The Zenitar is a specialty lens - a fisheye - the 12-24 is an ultra-wide angle zoom that can also be used as a general walkabout with exceptional IQ. Much more utility out of the 12-24.


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The correct answer is obvious: both.

The Zenitar at first appears to be less flexible, but in practice I use mine in many different situations. The fisheye effect is mild enough so that it can be hidden with careful composition or corrected in post-processing. The focal length and speed make it useful at really low shutter speeds, so it's good at "available dark" photography. It's also fun.

The DA 12-24 is all practical, but an excellent lens. Maybe if I wasn't so cheap, I would buy one.
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QuoteOriginally posted by netuser Quote
Maybe my question is not properly asked.

Zenitar 16mm or DA 12-24mm on k20d/k200d ?
Wich one would you choose and why if you could only afford one? (huge difference between prices)
trying to choose between the two is like choosing between vodka and water

both are liquids, but the end result is quite different.
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I own both lenses, I dearly enjoy using both lenses. But I'd have to say that the utility of the 12-24 is higher than the utility of the Z. But I love my Z and for the price of the 12-24 I can get the Z and another prime or zoom, say for instance the Tamron 28-75 F2.8 and still have about $100 left over. You have to add another lens/other equipment on the Zenitar side to make everything equal. The Zenitar goes for about $200. The 12-24 goes for about $650. So if you said the 12-24 Or the Zenitar AND another 450 worth of photographic stuff, I'd have to say go for the Zenitar. Both are great lenses BUT I need to warn you that F2.8 on the Zenitar is so soft as to be virtually useless. From 3.5 on however it's a great little lens.

edit: I also have to agree with just1more dave above and say that the Z, with careful framing and cropping can give almost distortion free images. And its a fun lens. But so is the 12-24.

NaCl(don't think you can go wrong with either choice)H2O

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QuoteOriginally posted by netuser Quote
Wich one would you choose and why ?

Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye or SMC Pentax-DA 12-24mm F4 ED AL [IF]

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts
Buy both!

(Ignoring the obvious rectilinear-versus-fisheye differences)

I like the Zenitar because:
- Small
- Cheap
- Good stopped down to at least f/4.0-f/5.6
- A proper 180-degree diagonal fisheye on film
- Low lateral chromatic aberration (by fisheye standards)
- On APS-C digital, provides the same angle of view as a 13mm rectilinear lens horizontally (14mm vertically) with some loss of resolution when de-fished

I like the Pentax 12-24 because:
- Good geometric distortion characteristics for an ultrawide zoom (no pincushion, negligible "moustache" distortion)
- Sharp wide open (which is great by ultrawide-zoom standards)
- Very useful zoom range (just-barely-ultra-wide to not-very-wide)
- Easier metering than the Zenitar

If you're looking for a good cheap film fisheye, or a fishy-wide-angle supplement to your existing lenses, you'll probably like the Zenitar.

The Pentax 12-24 is much more useful but much more expensive.


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.... if you said the 12-24 Or the Zenitar AND another 450 worth of photographic stuff, .
I can get sigma 10-20 and Zenitar for the price of DA 12-24...
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QuoteOriginally posted by netuser Quote
I can get sigma 10-20 and Zenitar for the price of DA 12-24...
You make a good point ... and best of both worlds as well.

I have the Zenitar ... now it is a fun lens ... in a quirky Russian way ... but I'd really love to get a really wide-zoom with is rectilinear.

Another question ... is the Sigma 10-20mm a full frame lens ... or is it designed with the smaller image circle????
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It is a DC lens, which is Sigmas term for "crop camera lens".
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It is a DC lens, which is Sigmas term for "crop camera lens".
That's what I thought it might be.
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I would opt for the Pentax 12-24. Very good lens and versatile.

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Depends

Do you know where I can get a 12-24mm for $175.

If you have the money get the 12-24mm if not the Zenitar is hard to beat for under $200. The green button makes it very easy to use, and the DOF is so large you hardly need to focus. It is pretty sharp too, assuming you correct the infinity focus problems alot of them have.

I have the Zenitar, but I "hear" I may be getting the 12-24mm for X-mas.
(A little bunny told me someone used my credit card to buy it yesterday)
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but I "hear" I may be getting the 12-24mm for X-mas.
(A little bunny told me someone used my credit card to buy it yesterday)
I hope the "little bunny" will also pay your credit card bill (especially if you used it before).
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